Wellglade Group

[aw94]

Have 743/4 had new white destis fitted yet?

They are due to be done in the near future

No 743 was still orange the last time I saw it... 744 might be having them fitted, could be part of the reason it's been off for so long

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Tm travel omnilink 1207 seems to have been towed into meadow road. (My badly taken photo attached)

744 is off awaiting a replacement gearbox

 

[Trainman40083]

In such a case as that, would Trent at Derby be prepared to supply a replacement vehicle, given that it's an associated company?

A Notts and Derby bus has even worked the 114, with a High Peak driver. Think it was a Volvo Centro.

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No 743 was still orange the last time I saw it... 744 might be having them fitted, could be part of the reason it's been off for so long

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Tm travel omnilink 1207 seems to have been towed into meadow road. (My badly taken photo attached)

Scania 1207 would make a great driver trainer. Might even allow a Tempo to be disposed of

 

[bringiton]

Scania 1207 would make a great driver trainer. Might even allow a Tempo to be disposed of

Are the tempos ever actually used? I see the scanias training more and whenever I go by lm they seem to have a vor sticker on the window

 

[Trainman40083]

Are the tempos ever actually used? I see the scanias training more and whenever I go by lm they seem to have a vor sticker on the window

I did see one of the Tempos in use, one day, just after red Optare Versa 818 entered service. Seem to think they have often had drivers in Kinchbus uniform, driving at the time. Those 07 plated Tempos won't last for ever, especially those two that were the X38 ones. (That said, Lynx of Kings Lynn still have former Trentbarton 54 plated Tempos in use)...

 

[38291018]

Scania 1207 would make a great driver trainer. Might even allow a Tempo to be disposed of

Would that scania share any parts with the solar L94UB's as surely unless they keep while they slowly get rid of solars as its newer, in the future they should replace with a B7RLE as the OmniLink isn't a standard bus in the wellglade fleet. Not saying they will get rid anytime soon and don't think it will not atleast till they replace some solars but woukd make sence in my view to eventually replace with b7s when trent finally dispose of them.

Also noticed according to bustimes 1405 SN61 BBF is back as it tracked wednesday so assume electric conversion is done now although mabey a mistrack as DVLA website says its sorn unless it hasn't updated yet.

Also just curious does anyone know what's happening with 906 as it's been of for long time yet has a long time till MOT runs out. Also weirdly it says the colour is brown which it has never been and it's milage from past MOTs in past has gone down or reset.

 

[zkyx02]

Also just curious does anyone know what's happening with 906 as it's been of for long time yet has a long time till MOT runs out. Also weirdly it says the colour is brown which it has never been and it's milage from past MOTs in past has gone down or reset.

Likely to be withdrawn, with only 1 left it would make sense with withdraw it.

It wasn’t brown but was black for the most part of its life.

 

[Trainman40083]

Would that scania share any parts with the solar L94UB's as surely unless they keep while they slowly get rid of solars as its newer, in the future they should replace with a B7RLE as the OmniLink isn't a standard bus in the wellglade fleet. Not saying they will get rid anytime soon and don't think it will not atleast till they replace some solars but woukd make sence in my view to eventually replace with b7s when trent finally dispose of them.

Also noticed according to bustimes 1405 SN61 BBF is back as it tracked wednesday so assume electric conversion is done now although mabey a mistrack as DVLA website says its sorn unless it hasn't updated yet.

Also just curious does anyone know what's happening with 906 as it's been of for long time yet has a long time till MOT runs out. Also weirdly it says the colour is brown which it has never been and it's milage from past MOTs in past has gone down or reset.

I have certainly not seen 1405 come back and as far as I know, it isn't even expected until March now. Most probably just the ticket machine. I understood that the Kinchbus Citaros were sold to City Transport of Newcastle. Well the last four of them. I didn't actually see any of them at Kinchbus the other day, but I only had a quick glance from outside. Surely 1207 would replace a Tempo.... Careful with that though. Notts and Derby might grab it for service

 

[Davidsb3]

Looks like the x38 has a bus missing today, things must be bad. Only 3 buses on allestree, but that seems quite common?

730 is expected to stay at Nottingham on keyworths post this weekends relaunch as the e200s require some attention.

This was due to 329 suffering a tyre issue this morning but was back to the full 5 buses by the around midday.

On the Allestree fron it was due to 266 being away for MOT.

 

[YX73OUB]

Are the tempos ever actually used? I see the scanias training more and whenever I go by lm they seem to have a vor sticker on the window

Yes one's been out today.

 

[derbybusdepot]

This was due to 329 suffering a tyre issue this morning but was back to the full 5 buses by the around midday.

On the Allestree fron it was due to 266 being away for MOT.

Still a case of consistently not having enough spare buses to cover all services though, and has been an ongoing thing for months, if not years now.

The red arrow coaches seem more reliable lately - maybe if they sorted sixes Versas out too the allotted spare vehicles would be enough in practice as well as on paper.

 

[Mr TrainGuy]

Likely to be withdrawn, with only 1 left it would make sense with withdraw it.

It wasn’t brown but was black for the most part of its life.

Pretty sure it's being sent to Langley Mill for scrap or something along those lines. As you say, it makes sense to as it no longer has a MOT, and is the last of the Citaros left anyway which was suffering a lot of issues constantly.

This was due to 329 suffering a tyre issue this morning but was back to the full 5 buses by the around midday.

Thought most/all of the buses were fitted with a system to prevent the tyre issues as much as possible. Depends what the issue was though, if it ran over something sharp and burst a tyre, then I suppose that wouldn't be preventable or at all controllable (please feel free to correct me here though if I'm wrong)!

The red arrow coaches seem more reliable lately - maybe if they sorted sixes Versas out too the allotted spare vehicles would be enough in practice as well as on paper.

Red arrow is certainly handling alright at the moment especially with 74 being a dedicated spare (the less we mention 73 the better). Think the main issue with the Versas on sixes is the steep hills and obstacles en route wear them down quite a lot compared to other ones. Not even considering they are used for a fair chunk of each day and are on a fairly demanding set of routes as well!

 

[YX73OUB]

Pretty sure it's being sent to Langley Mill for scrap or something along those lines. As you say, it makes sense to as it no longer has a MOT, and is the last of the Citaros left anyway which was suffering a lot of issues constantly.

Thought most/all of the buses were fitted with a system to prevent the tyre issues as much as possible. Depends what the issue was though, if it ran over something sharp and burst a tyre, then I suppose that wouldn't be preventable or at all controllable (please feel free to correct me here though if I'm wrong)!

Red arrow is certainly handling alright at the moment especially with 74 being a dedicated spare (the less we mention 73 the better). Think the main issue with the Versas on sixes is the steep hills and obstacles en route wear them down quite a lot compared to other ones. Not even considering they are used for a fair chunk of each day and are on a fairly demanding set of routes as well!

906 is MOTd until 21 November 2025 & will be joining sisters 901/3/4 at their new owner.

 

[liamf656]

906 is MOTd until 21 November 2025 & will be joining sisters 901/3/4 at their new owner.

Who is the new owner please?

 

[Trainman40083]

Who is the new owner please?

City Transport, Newcastle, isn't it?

 

[derbybusdepot]

City Transport, Newcastle, isn't it?

It would fit, as they already have rigid and bendy citaros, alongside coaches. Seem to do a lot of rail reps/events shuttles. They ran the bendybus on the markeaton park event shuttle in Derby in 2024.

 

[Trainman40083]

It would fit, as they already have rigid and bendy citaros, alongside coaches. Seem to do a lot of rail reps/events shuttles. They ran the bendybus on the markeaton park event shuttle in Derby in 2024.

Indeed there was the Benz bendy and a coach in Derby one day. Thought that was rail replacement though.

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Had to laugh when I saw Hulleys had former Trentbarton Sixes Scania 691 (FJ55 BZT) on loan from Connexions. You certainly can't keep a good bus away. At least it should know the way around Bakewell and Matlock.

 

[YX73OUB]

City Transport, Newcastle, isn't it?

Absolutely right

 

[m79900]

Think the main issue with the Versas on sixes is the steep hills and obstacles en route wear them down quite a lot compared to other ones. Not even considering they are used for a fair chunk of each day and are on a fairly demanding set of routes as well!

To be fair, these seem to have improved recently.

 

[Mr TrainGuy]

To be fair, these seem to have improved recently.

The only thing holding them back really at the moment are the buses that were in RTCs / long term VOR (314 and 836 being the main ones, the former of which was expected to arrive ages ago but still hasn't).

 

[Andy Pacer]

Pretty sure it's being sent to Langley Mill for scrap or something along those lines. As you say, it makes sense to as it no longer has a MOT, and is the last of the Citaros left anyway which was suffering a lot of issues constantly.

Was certainly parked up at Langley Mill two weekends ago when I passed by.

 

[Davidsb3]

The only thing holding them back really at the moment are the buses that were in RTCs / long term VOR (314 and 836 being the main ones, the former of which was expected to arrive ages ago but still hasn't).

314 will be a long time due to the extent of the damage suffered and what needs to be done to bring it back

 

[Mr TrainGuy]

314 will be a long time due to the extent of the damage suffered and what needs to be done to bring it back

Probably restraining the frequency increase on mickleover further then. With when 105/6 were put back on mickleover in the burgundy livery makes me think the frequency change was expected to happen a lot sooner!

 

[derbybusdepot]

Probably restraining the frequency increase on mickleover further then. With when 105/6 were put back on mickleover in the burgundy livery makes me think the frequency change was expected to happen a lot sooner!

Not really sure the frequency needs increasing on mickleovers. I believe bsip money was being offered, but that was mainly to increase the number of services serving the hospital. Now that we have both Trent and arriva providing ample buses between Derby and the hospital on x38, a mickleover frequency increase is not really needed.

 

[Trainman40083]

Not really sure the frequency needs increasing on mickleovers. I believe bsip money was being offered, but that was mainly to increase the number of services serving the hospital. Now that we have both Trent and arriva providing ample buses between Derby and the hospital on x38, a mickleover frequency increase is not really needed.

Indeed, there is also the Notts and Derby Royal service every 15 minutes, plus links to nearby housing at Heatherton / Langley Park as well.

 

[Davidsb3]

314 will be a long time due to the extent of the damage suffered and what needs to be done to bring it back

I say this 314 was sat in the yard when I left at 1315 today with every 7 - 8 min branding on the back but every 10 mins on the side

 

[bringiton]

I say this 314 was sat in the yard when I left at 1315 today with every 7 - 8 min branding on the back but every 10 mins on the side

If it re-enters service before the frequency increase, id assume itll get like what 105/6 have on the back with a temporary sticker over for every 10 minutes

 

[Mr TrainGuy]

I say this 314 was sat in the yard when I left at 1315 today with every 7 - 8 min branding on the back but every 10 mins on the side

Makes sense really.. pretty sure it was involved in a RTC damaging the rear of it so those panels were probably replaced, and with that came the 7-8 min vinyls as preparation (makes sense they haven't done the same on the sides).

If it re-enters service before the frequency increase, id assume itll get like what 105/6 have on the back with a temporary sticker over for every 10 minutes

Don't think there's even the need for it on mickleover at the moment, with 105 and 106 now also on hand to help if a newer one breaks! That said, I feel the frequency increase could happen relatively soon now 314's back.

 

[Trainman40083]

Makes sense really.. pretty sure it was involved in a RTC damaging the rear of it so those panels were probably replaced, and with that came the 7-8 min vinyls as preparation (makes sense they haven't done the same on the sides).

Don't think there's even the need for it on mickleover at the moment, with 105 and 106 now also on hand to help if a newer one breaks! That said, I feel the frequency increase could happen relatively soon now 314's back.

I'd suggest the current position makes the service more reliable and deliverable. Get a failure or two, with no spare bus and who knows.

 

[m79900]

Are N&D's ex Threes Versas staying long term? I only wonder because none have been repainted yet and it's been over a year.

 

[bringiton]

704 and 740 seem to be running on Langley mill routes with 704 being on h1 and 740 on rainbow one