But they are fast and travelling on a 390 is more like travelling on an airline than other trains. Having an airline style interior may well be a good plan at getting people to transfer from air.
Again, speed has nothing to do with what i was saying. Also, how will you attract people from the air with an airline interior?
If you have a choice of a quick plane or a slow plane like thing, what do you go for? The quick one. People want speed, frequency and nice comfortable journey. Thats why when trains can match an airline for speed, airlines usually lose out. Trains are a more comfortable journey.
Anyway, as already shown, the pendys interior is not liked, so how will this in itself attract people? It wont.
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The survey goes on to point out that...
...these things are never simple. How can we say that those dissatisfied Pendolini passengers have used NXEA Mk3s and East Coast Mk4s in order to make a reasonable assumption? Or do people just base it on "I don't like my busy train, so I'm going to say its the worst (without evidence of the alternatives)"? Notice how most people think *their* local city has the worst pot-holes in the country (or various other negatives)?
I now decree that anyone using this survey as evidence that "people prefer Mk3s over Pendolini" has to acknowledge that AXC toilets are the best, although apparently too small"
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...because of the tilt (and the crash standards).
Take away the tilt and you take away the speed (which people seem to love).
The survey showed how satisfied people were with their trains. They never asked them to compare trains. There was a lot more dissatisfaction with pendys, therefore its fair to say the Mk3s overall were prefered.
Regarding toilets, design wise the voyagers have brilliant large toilets. So the survey is correct yes. Its when you look into other things that the size of all the toilets is seen as a negative.
Regarding pendys, what i said about them having a more cramped feel than the voyagers has nothing to do with tilt. Its mainly to do with the lights, and the interior materials used. The colours are quite dull. Also they have too many little intrusions which are not found on voyagers, and are nowt to do with tilt. If my argument had anything to do with tilt, the likelihood is the voyagers would have been just as bad. Remember i was comparing two tilting profiles against each other.
Also, if we look at pendys and voyagers (but not comparing them against each other), if a voyager can be made to look like a meridian, could a pendy receive similar treatment? It would be interesting to know if the bad design and placement of equipment that is found on the voyagers, is also to be found on the pendys. Certainly a lot of it is, yes, but i dont know about all of it. Could the interior width be increased like they managed on the meridians?
Be interesting to find out.
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If anyone claimed to like the NXEA mk3's I would discount their answers and tell them to seek help.
They are so desperately in need of a decent upgrade inside that you would have to rank them last of you had actually seen any other trains.
Now an EC or FGW HST would be totally different.
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What? NXEA- Comfortable, spacious, pleasant interior.
FGW- Uncomfortable, seems quite cramped, tacky looking interior.
The only Mk3s that come anywhere near the pendys in terms of how bad they are, are the FGW Mk3s.
Just because NXEA have kept the IC70 seats, it doesnt make them bad. The only problems with NXEAs Mk3s is the 1st class, which seems to have received a downgrade. Standard class is fine. Perhaps not maintained well, but the interior design is just fine.
Anyway, going by what you say. I assume i can discount anybody on here that may have a different view to mine?
Cool. All you people on here that like pendys or FGWs Mk3s, you all need help. Im afraid whatever you say from now on must be discounted.
I apologise if this seems harsh, but im just going along with what Jon said.
We must discount anybody that has a different opinion to our own.
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Ah, so it's now the survey's wrong because they asked people with the wrong Mk3's. But, if they had chosen another Mk3 then it would be alright. I think some people need to stop making excuses for Mk3's! The survey proved nothing, as those on the London - Norwich route are not going to base their results on the quality on the London - Birmingham route, and vice versa.
It doesnt need to be based against anything. Its a simple survey. Does your train have good enough luggage capacity etc? pendy passengers- No they dont. Mk3 passenger- Yes they do.
I know im simplifying it a bit there, but the survey was quite obvious. The satisfaction of passengers with the interior design of the pendys was bad. With the Mk3s, it was nowhere near as bad.
However, as you want to compare everthing, here we go.
Not compared:
Is the pendy good? No its quite badly designed esp in standard class.
Compared to a WSMR Mk3
Is the pendy good compared to this train? No, the pendy is absolutely shocking. Who the hell designed this train.
Comparing can lead to exagerated answers. This survey was purely looking at satisfaction ratings for different aspects of the interior design of trains people had been on.
Just accept the satisfaction ratings for virtually all aspects of the interior design of the pendy was poor. Mk3s fared a lot better. If i can accept the faults of a Mk3, why can some people not accept the faults of a pendy?
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3 of those are not designed to tilt to 9 degrees though - the APT was not built to the same standards of crashworthiness. Voyagers do feel cramped, the seats are high density and the pitch seems worse than Pendos in some seats (probably had to cram more seats in!). Try standing in Voyager's vestibule for an hour - it's a claustrophobic mess - there are no windows (there are by the disabled toilet on a a Pendo) and it is smelly! That will make anyone think!
I am not supporting Pendos in their entirety, because they certainly aren't the most spacious trains ever built, but I don't like anyone claiming that a Voyager has major plus points over it, because it doesn't! Just because it has larger windows doesn't make it the better train.
I know we shouldn't be comparing to aircraft, but I'd recommend that anyone who thinks that a Pendo is oppressively claustrophobic (that's not a criticism), never go near the economy class of an aircraft of any sort! I could show you what I think cramped it is....
The only plus points of a voyager are the fact it seems less cramped. This is down to colours and design.
They are both poor trains inside, (this being down to a lackof thinking), but pendys are better as the toilets dont smell as much, and they dont have the underfloor noise/ vibrations.
Oh, and yes, airlines in economy are horrible. Although the seats are slightly more comfortable than pendys and voyagers. If you are in an aisle seat they dont seem quite as claustrophobic, but get any other seat, and planes are absolutely awful.
Thankfully pendys are ever so slightly better.
