At least two separate /9s had a long spell in that siding. 921 was one of them (also was stabled at Bromley North for a time before moving to Grosvenor) and did return for a short spell before eventually going into store. 911 also did, but this also returned to service and still is in service.
Thanks for that. Didn’t realise there were two there! Clearly it’s the regular dumping ground for 465s…
I'd lay money that the 376s have less in common with the 378s than the 377s.
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This is correct as they were built by two competing different manufacturers. There was a NSE Technical Specification that BREL and Met-Cam/GEC had to meet but that was it. They may look near identical but they are far from it.
Meant to add these.
The Southern fleet to me looks quite weird, with its lack of a proper Metro train. For example I was on a stopping train from London Bridge to East Croydon today, operated by 2 * Class 377/3, which with its wide 2+2 seating and armrests, seemed out of place for a London metro route, especially considering that Networkers and 450s operate far longer journeys.
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Are all the stored 465/466s at Ely now, or are there still some at Worksop? This would help narrow down what's likely to go to Newport soon.Expect another 465/466 scrap move next week on Tuesday 18th, a path has appeared for a loco on the 17th:
Realtime Trains | 0L46 0522 Derby R.T.C.(Network Rail) to Ely Mlf Papworth Sidings | 17/02/2025
Real-time train running information for 0L46 0522 departure from Derby R.T.C.(Network Rail) to Ely Mlf Papworth Sidings on 17/02/2025. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
There are still a couple of 465s and 466s at Worksop. These are ones that are still on lease.
If possible, and op, if you very much kindly know which 465 and 466 are still at Worksop, on lease, please can you help me to know which sets they are please??
I've just looked and no drags have shown up for next week Mon-Fri, even though the previous two I'm sure were on RTT by Sunday.Expect another 465/466 scrap move next week on Tuesday 18th, a path has appeared for a loco on the 17th:
Realtime Trains | 0L46 0522 Derby R.T.C.(Network Rail) to Ely Mlf Papworth Sidings | 17/02/2025
Real-time train running information for 0L46 0522 departure from Derby R.T.C.(Network Rail) to Ely Mlf Papworth Sidings on 17/02/2025. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
I just think it is more down to enthusiasts and the /9 being quite popular. 465 BRELs were popular too, but again that may have contributed to why its a /9. Or maybe its pure luck . Id imagine a BREL may get painted in NSE or evem CXSE blue and yellow? That would be awesome
Is there actually any evidence that 465/9s are more popular than BRELs?
I think it's a bit mad to retain a small amount of/9s and 466s. Just seems a bit crazy as there will still be separate parts required but not the economy of scale of a larger fleet
The /9s I agree. The 466s are slightly different as they are needed to form 10 car trains…
So were the 456s and they were still axed in favour of 8 carriage 455 formations on their own.
If SE could have got rid of all them, they would have done. But there are just too many to remove without serious shortages in the fleet, even considering the ones that have been stored/scrapped. Now we're also finding out the BREL units are going downhill fast and the MetCams still in service are actually more reliable than them, so it's possible any further storage moves triggered by the 377s could be BRELs.
Replacing both could be what the fleet procurement aims to achieve, although it's still years away from delivering on the ground. By then though it's possible the 376s have no future home and also go to scrap.
The lease on the BREL sets expires in October 2027, but interesting to note that the lease expiry for the GEC sets is redacted in the public copy of the operating contract (https://assets.publishing.service.g...-se-trains-limited-2021-services-contract.pdf)
Apparently 3x 465/2s are still on lease, even though they haven't been in service for over 3 years, so maybe some troublesome BREL units could be stored before then but still be on lease if necessary. If the GEC lease date is redacted maybe Angel Trains have some reason behind it that Eversholt didn't seek.
Is October 2027 enough time to get a brand new fleetwide replacement up and running or do they have the option to extend the lease?
SE aren't short of 5 car units (376s and 707s) to make 10 car formations though.
Exactly, what I'm saying is if they did withdraw the 466s it wouldn't be any worse than what they did on SWR. Not that it would be ideal, but it has happened so the DfT do have form. And as you've alluded to, it probably wouldn't be as bad as SWR anyway, due to the 376s and 707s.
Post-COVID cost cutting mandated by DfT.
Here is the list. (The ones crossed in red are scrapped)
I think the number of diagrams for those fleets are already maxed out. There are 16 x 10 car Networkers Tuesday to Thursday. If the passenger loads don't justify it, then they would probably have gone already.
Could any of those be operated with 12 car sets, i.e. 3*465? There will be a few 465/9s replaced by 377s which can be used back in Metro routes.
