Different Driver Depot, Route and Traction cards

[JDAWC]

Ah, interesting. Must still cause problems if there's disruption.

If planning and on the day train running and traincrew control is done correctly it’s never usually an issue. Hull trains do it really well where the driver who drives the first Hull to Kings Cross service is rostered to have a PnB in KGX and then pass/drive on the service that the lodge driver is rostered to drive meaning that if the lodge driver hasn’t had enough rest the pass driver then drives instead and the lodge driver passes. Arrangements such as this can cover the back of TOCs when they use lodge turns.

 

[craigybagel]

With Newcastle losing Aberdeen, how do the Inverness turns work now? There'll be nowhere near 12 hours' rest between arrival and departure at whichever hotel they use for lodging in Inverness. Surely they're not getting Newcastle drivers to pass up from Edinburgh to Inverness one afternoon and drive back the next morning? Then again, stranger things have happened...

Ah, interesting. Must still cause problems if there's disruption.

As I understand it, the former arrangement of having 2 drivers each night in the hotel in Inverness and travelling passenger between there and Aberdeen ended several years ago, with Inverness and Aberdeen becoming stand alone diagrams.

 

[JDAWC]

As I understand it, the former arrangement of having 2 drivers each night in the hotel in Inverness and travelling passenger between there and Aberdeen ended several years ago, with Inverness and Aberdeen becoming stand alone diagrams.

That’s correct.

 

[Belmont Circle]

Caterham
Traction:
377
Routes:
London Bridge-East Croydon (via Forest Hill)
London Victoria-Caterham (via Norbury)
Purley-Tattenham Corner
London Bridge-Streatham Common (via Tulse Hill)
Balham-Sydenham/Norwood Junction (via Crystal Palace)
Norwood Junction/Selhurst-Epsom Downs (via West Croydon and Sutton)

Do Caterham drivers still sign for Epsom Downs - as it appears that Caterham trains turnaround at London Bridge and go to Epsom (as opposed to Epsom Downs Above)?

 

[IanXC]

If planning and on the day train running and traincrew control is done correctly it’s never usually an issue. Hull trains do it really well where the driver who drives the first Hull to Kings Cross service is rostered to have a PnB in KGX and then pass/drive on the service that the lodge driver is rostered to drive meaning that if the lodge driver hasn’t had enough rest the pass driver then drives instead and the lodge driver passes. Arrangements such as this can cover the back of TOCs when they use lodge turns.

That can't possibly be right. The first Hull to Kings Cross arrives at 0914, but the lodge driver must take the 0727 departure from Kings Cross.

 

[JDAWC]

That can't possibly be right. The first Hull to Kings Cross arrives at 0914, but the lodge driver must take the 0727 departure from Kings Cross.

There’s 2 lodge drivers. One who passes on the last service down and they get off at KGX at 21:46. The following morning they then take 3H01 off of Bounds Green at 06:28 and take that same set as 1H01 07:27 Kings Cross-Hull. Then you’ve got the driver who actually drives the last service from Hull-KGX. They take the train onto Bounds Green, roughly 00:19 arrival onto depot. They then bring 5H02 off in the morning, 08:51 departure from Bounds Green to KGX. They then attach the set to the unit that worked 1A91 which is the first service into KGX hence why the driver from the 09:14 arrival can take it back to Hull if needs be although this rarely happens but the contingency is in place. If the lodge driver isn’t able to drive, the set they take off of Bounds Green just stays there and 1H02 runs 5 vice 10. Hope that clears things up for you mate!

 

[IanXC]

There’s 2 lodge drivers. One who passes on the last service down and they get off at KGX at 21:46. The following morning they then take 3H01 off of Bounds Green at 06:28 and take that same set as 1H01 07:27 Kings Cross-Hull. Then you’ve got the driver who actually drives the last service from Hull-KGX. They take the train onto Bounds Green, roughly 00:19 arrival onto depot. They then bring 5H02 off in the morning, 08:51 departure from Bounds Green to KGX. They then attach the set to the unit that worked 1A91 which is the first service into KGX hence why the driver from the 09:14 arrival can take it back to Hull if needs be although this rarely happens but the contingency is in place. If the lodge driver isn’t able to drive, the set they take off of Bounds Green just stays there and 1H02 runs 5 vice 10. Hope that clears things up for you mate!

Ah yes, your post used singular lodge driver rather than plural. Adding that theres two and it makes perfect sense.

 

[youngiecj]

Boston drivers no longer sign Lincoln-Sleaford anymore as per the route card. The rest at Boston is all correct though.

 

[greatkingrat]

There’s 2 lodge drivers. One who passes on the last service down and they get off at KGX at 21:46. The following morning they then take 3H01 off of Bounds Green at 06:28 and take that same set as 1H01 07:27 Kings Cross-Hull. Then you’ve got the driver who actually drives the last service from Hull-KGX. They take the train onto Bounds Green, roughly 00:19 arrival onto depot. They then bring 5H02 off in the morning, 08:51 departure from Bounds Green to KGX. They then attach the set to the unit that worked 1A91 which is the first service into KGX hence why the driver from the 09:14 arrival can take it back to Hull if needs be although this rarely happens but the contingency is in place. If the lodge driver isn’t able to drive, the set they take off of Bounds Green just stays there and 1H02 runs 5 vice 10. Hope that clears things up for you mate!

Still seems very tight. By the time you include travelling to/from the hotel, getting something to eat, booking on time etc it doesn't leave that much time to sleep!

 

[JDAWC]

Ah yes, your post used singular lodge driver rather than plural. Adding that theres two and it makes perfect sense.

Yes sorry that was my fault, I see how I confused you!

Still seems very tight. By the time you include travelling to/from the hotel, getting something to eat, booking on time etc it doesn't leave that much time to sleep!

I do 100% agree with you. It’s a struggle too as the pathing for the service from Ferme Park Reception to Bowes Park Reverse Siding essentially means the service can’t go on depot early like a lot of ecs moves to other depots can. If this was possible this would help give the driver more rest of course.

 

[DavidAtkin]

Hi guys , anyone know what tractions get used out of Glasgow central (Scotrail) and what routes they cover ? Cheers

The SPT stuff I can give you a fairly good idea of, but I'll have missed a few things I'm sure.

Glasgow Central and outlying depots
Glasgow Central - the drivers have links, but there are no surprises in it. They can work everything out of Central (high level only!), but they don't go further South than Ayr or Kilmarnock, or further East than Edinburgh (via Shotts only). Classes 156, 158, 318, 320, 380, 385. The guards do Carlisle, East Kilbride, Edinburgh via Shotts and also via Carstairs. Classes 156, 158, 380, 385.
Corkerhill - Paisley Canal, East Kilbride, Kilmarnock, and Inverclyde stuff (I think). Class 156, 158, 380, 385.
Shields - as with Corkerhill, but with the addition of Cathcart circles & Newtons (I think). Class 156, 158, 318, 320, 380, 385.
Gourock - Inverclyde stuff. Class 318, 320, 380.
Ayr - drivers work South to Girvan, Stranraer, Carlisle, Barassie branch, all Ayrshire electrics, and East Kilbride. Guards go to Girvan, Stranraer, Carlisle, and North to Glasgow Central via Kilmarnock. East Kilbride branch. Class 156 and class 380 (maybe 385).
Stranraer - Glasgow Central via Kilmarnock (no diesels run via Paisley anymore), and East Kilbride branch. Both drivers and guards are the same. Class 156 only.
Dumfries - Carlisle to Glasgow Central. East Kilbride branch. Drivers and guards are the same. Class 156 only.

North electric:
Yoker - Helensburgh to Edinburgh, Balloch branch, Milngavie branch, Bellgrove-Springburn-Cumbernauld-Motherwell, Argyle line, Hamilton circle, Larkhall, R&C. Classes 318, 320, 334.
Helensburgh / Airdrie / Bathgate - Helensburgh to Edinburgh, Milngavie branch, Balloch branch. Classes 318, 320, 334.

Mixed Argyle & North Electric plus mainline
Motherwell - Edinburgh via Carstairs, also via Shotts. Lanark, Larkhall, Hamilton circle, Cathcart circle and Newton, Argyle line, Milngavie branch, Dalmuir to Bellgrove, Bellgrove-Springburn-Cumbernauld-Motherwell, R&C. Glasgow Central via Bellshill and via WCML. Classes 158, 318, 320, 334, 380, 385.

These are obviously rough but fairly accurate. I doubt they have changed much. There are links at the following;
Glasgow Central - bottom links only do DOO routes. Senior link does same with addition of Edinburgh via Shotts, Kilmarnock, East Kilbride, 156 and 158.
Motherwell - bottom link only does North electric / Argyle line work. So Cumbernauld, Springburn, Dalmuir, Hamilton Circle, and Larkhall. R&C. DOO only. Senior link adds everything else, inc 156 and 158.
Yoker - two links, only difference I'm aware of is that one link goes all the way to Edinburgh via Airdrie and the other only goes as far as Airdrie.

Oh and full-time non mainline depot drivers, if you're interested:

Haymarket
Eastfield
Yoker
Shields

ScotRail depots and yards shunted exclusively by mainline drivers;
Corkerhill (Corkerhill, Glasgow Central, Shields)
Motherwell (Motherwell and Yoker)
Clayhills (Aberdeen ScotRail, LNER Edinburgh&Newcastle)
Inverness (Inverness ScotRail and LNER Newcastle)
Dundee (Dundee and Perth)
Perth (Perth)
Ayr (Ayr)
Dumfries (Dumfries and Ayr)

Sorry just seeing this post. Is this up to date? Am trying to find out as I have my DMI coming up end of January. Just want to know some route and traction information. Am going to head into Glasgow central but just to get a head start.

 

[InkyScrolls]

Hi guys , anyone know what tractions get used out of Glasgow central (Scotrail) and what routes they cover ? Cheers


Sorry just seeing this post. Is this up to date? Am trying to find out as I have my DMI coming up end of January. Just want to know some route and traction information. Am going to head into Glasgow central but just to get a head start.

Have a look at the second post of this thread.

 

[craigybagel]

I've not had any updates from anyone at ScotRail for a few years so I can't guarantee the accuracy of the lists on this thread (the only depot I can guarantee that's accurate is my own!) - but I'd be surprised if Glasgow Central has changed much since then.

I do have some updates I've been kindly messaged about for GWR to put in as soon as I get chance however.

 

[DavidAtkin]

Thanks guys appreciate the quick response. And this is an awesome job you’ve done here. Keep up the good work.

 

[GN Boy]

For Great Northern - Hitchin now sign 700s

 

[newtownmgr]

With regards WMR at Worcester. Whilst we have now lost booked work via Galton Jct. Those that sign it are being allowed to keep it on via route refresh days and discussions are taking place regarding route learning for those that don’t sign it as it’s a valuable diversionary route.

 

[Mainsideman]

Forgive me if this has been asked already but what is the difference between Liverpool street ex anglia and ex WAGN?

 

[_toommm_]

Forgive me if this has been asked already but what is the difference between Liverpool street ex anglia and ex WAGN?

My understanding is Anglia was the old mainline services along the GEML out of Liverpool Street, and WAGN is the old commuter services out of Liverpool Street.

 

[Mainsideman]

My understanding is Anglia was the old mainline services along the GEML out of Liverpool Street, and WAGN is the old commuter services out of Liverpool Street.

Thank you is it seperate wage and terms and conditions even though its the same company?

 

[JDAWC]

From what I know Buxton don’t sign Blackpool anymore, only as far as Preston, on the topic of Buxton does anyone happen to know how much work they have down to Alderley Edge? With them only signing 331s it limits them to the amount of services they could possibly do down there. My guess is they only do 1 or 2 but any knowledge on this would be great.

 

[craigybagel]

Slightly later than planned, I've gone through and updated the list to the best of my knowledge.

Boston drivers no longer sign Lincoln-Sleaford anymore as per the route card. The rest at Boston is all correct though.

For Great Northern - Hitchin now sign 700s

With regards WMR at Worcester. Whilst we have now lost booked work via Galton Jct. Those that sign it are being allowed to keep it on via route refresh days and discussions are taking place regarding route learning for those that don’t sign it as it’s a valuable diversionary route.

Thanks, all updated - and thank you again to the GWR insiders who took the time to message me with some updates from their neck of the woods, I've made those changes as well.

From what I know Buxton don’t sign Blackpool anymore, only as far as Preston, on the topic of Buxton does anyone happen to know how much work they have down to Alderley Edge? With them only signing 331s it limits them to the amount of services they could possibly do down there. My guess is they only do 1 or 2 but any knowledge on this would be great.

Thanks, I have removed Preston - Blackpool. I've long suspected that the info for Buxton is out of date, and that there have been some changes to their route cards and/or they have learnt 323s at some point, but I don't have much to go off there at present.

I've added in 3 new depots to the list - which is a positive bit of news for the railway in general, but it does mean this list is no longer 100% complete!
Avanti Crewe depot - this depot is now open, but I have not yet been able to confirm the route card (I know the plans were Holyhead/Preston to London, but railway plans frequently change!)
Chiltern Bletchley. I know from the thread on the Bletchley - Bicester line reopening that Chiltern's new Bletchley depot will be the only depot working the route, but I'm not aware of plans for the depot beyond that.
TFW Taffs Well - the plans for this depot are for it to be the same as every other Valleys depot - signing the full network and 756/398. Until the depot is open though I can not confirm if this is the case

I have also amended Ipswich - London to be link dependant for both of Anglia's depots at Ipswich and Norwich, as I understand this to be the case from reading other threads.
I have deleted 380 knowledge from Scotrail Edinburgh; the guards thread suggests this has happened for that grade, so it seems logical to assume the drivers there also no longer sign them.

If anybody can confirm the above information, or has any other changes to note, as always feel free to message publicly or privately and I'll get the list updated.

Thanks again to everyone who helps to keep this list as definitive and accurate as possible.

 

[Grvrdvicdr]

Slightly later than planned, I've gone through and updated the list to the best of my knowledge.






Thanks, all updated - and thank you again to the GWR insiders who took the time to message me with some updates from their neck of the woods, I've made those changes as well.

Thanks, I have removed Preston - Blackpool. I've long suspected that the info for Buxton is out of date, and that there have been some changes to their route cards and/or they have learnt 323s at some point, but I don't have much to go off there at present.

I've added in 3 new depots to the list - which is a positive bit of news for the railway in general, but it does mean this list is no longer 100% complete!
Avanti Crewe depot - this depot is now open, but I have not yet been able to confirm the route card (I know the plans were Holyhead/Preston to London, but railway plans frequently change!)
Chiltern Bletchley. I know from the thread on the Bletchley - Bicester line reopening that Chiltern's new Bletchley depot will be the only depot working the route, but I'm not aware of plans for the depot beyond that.
TFW Taffs Well - the plans for this depot are for it to be the same as every other Valleys depot - signing the full network and 756/398. Until the depot is open though I can not confirm if this is the case

I have also amended Ipswich - London to be link dependant for both of Anglia's depots at Ipswich and Norwich, as I understand this to be the case from reading other threads.
I have deleted 380 knowledge from Scotrail Edinburgh; the guards thread suggests this has happened for that grade, so it seems logical to assume the drivers there also no longer sign them.

If anybody can confirm the above information, or has any other changes to note, as always feel free to message publicly or privately and I'll get the list updated.

Thanks again to everyone who helps to keep this list as definitive and accurate as possible.

Euston have lost Chester work

 

[craigybagel]

Euston have lost Chester work

Thanks, I've removed it

 

[InkyScrolls]

I have deleted 380 knowledge from Scotrail Edinburgh; the guards thread suggests this has happened for that grade, so it seems logical to assume the drivers there also no longer sign them.

It may seem logical but don't count on it - for example Skipton (Northern) guards sign 150s, whereas us drivers don't.

As always thank you for keeping this excellent resource up to date!

 

[craigybagel]

It may seem logical but don't count on it - for example Skipton (Northern) guards sign 150s, whereas us drivers don't.

As always thank you for keeping this excellent resource up to date!

That's a fair point - and my own TOC has at least one example I can think of straight off too. However, in this case it was my understanding that the last remaining work for Edinburgh drivers on 380s was an occasional appearance on North Berwick/Dunbar services - and they're not going to get very far on them without guards. I will of course put them back if anyone can provide contradictory information however.

And thanks, it's been a fun and rather satisfying little hobby these last few years!

 

[Cails27]

I have deleted 380 knowledge from Scotrail Edinburgh; the guards thread suggests this has happened for that grade, so it seems logical to assume the drivers there also no longer sign them.

This is correct. There’s been no 380s diagrammed to come to Edinburgh since June TT change last year.

 

[JDAWC]

Also for TPE Preston at Glasgow instead of ‘various diversions’ for Preston-Glasgow it can just be Law Jcn-Udingston Jcn via Holytown. No one at TPE signs via Mount Florida or Whifflet any more, just Holytown. Some Glasgow drivers also sign Holytown - Midcalder Junction via Shotts but this is very few so probably worth putting it down as:

Holytown - Midcalder Junction via Shotts (some drivers sign)

 

[craigybagel]

Also for TPE Preston at Glasgow instead of ‘various diversions’ for Preston-Glasgow it can just be Law Jcn-Udingston Jcn via Holytown. No one at TPE signs via Mount Florida or Whifflet any more, just Holytown. Some Glasgow drivers also sign Holytown - Midcalder Junction via Shotts but this is very few so probably worth putting it down as:

Holytown - Midcalder Junction via Shotts (some drivers sign)

Just for clarity, do you mean that Preston drivers don't sign Whifflet any more, but Glasgow still do? Since Real Time Trains suggests they're still running that way.

Thanks for the update, I was a bit wary of putting full details up as I was never sure who signed what with all the different possibilities around there (I think some at Avanti still sign all of the above and via Cathcart as well) but I will happily edit in the full details once it's been confirmed

This is correct. There’s been no 380s diagrammed to come to Edinburgh since June TT change last year.

Thank you, it's good to have it confirmed.

 

[737egnh]

For northern @ Blackpool North.

Ex FNW (ex northern) now sign Blackburn to Horrocksford Junction (Clitheroe)

Currently link dependant whilst route learning takes place for the whole link.

 

[JDAWC]

Just for clarity, do you mean that Preston drivers don't sign Whifflet any more, but Glasgow still do? Since Real Time Trains suggests they're still running that way.

Thanks for the update, I was a bit wary of putting full details up as I was never sure who signed what with all the different possibilities around there (I think some at Avanti still sign all of the above and via Cathcart as well) but I will happily edit in the full details once it's been confirmed


Thank you, it's good to have it confirmed.

Hi mate sorry yes Preston don’t sign Whifflet but Glasgow do. I’ll list the full route cards for Preston and Glasgow depots below:

Preston
Traction:
397,802

Routes:
Preston to Manchester Airport via Chorley + Chat Moss
Preston to Liverpool Lime Street via St Helens Central
Preston to Glasgow Central via Oxenholme
Carstairs Jcn to Edinburgh Waverley
Law Jcn to Udingston Jcn via Holytown




Glasgow Central
(Glasgow is split into two main links. East and West)

All drivers sign 397, 802

West link drivers sign:

Glasgow Central to Preston via Oxenholme
Carstairs Jcn to Edinburgh Waverley
Edinburgh Waverley to Craigentinny Depot
Law Jcn to Udingston Jcn via Holytown
Mossend East Jcn to Rutherglen East Jcn via Whifflet
Carstairs North Curve



East link drivers sign:

All routes that west link drivers sign plus - Edinburgh Waverley to Newcastle via Berwick-Upon-Tweed


A small handful of drivers across both links sign:

Holytown to Midcalder Jcn via Shotts



I hope this is okay for you mate? I know you usually don’t include depots, but for the West Link drivers Craigentinny is considered as a route in of itself as it means they have to sign the east side of Waverley and then the route to the depot of course. So probably worth including. Preston drivers only sign the west side of Waverley.