East Coast Class 90?

[GNER 373]

Get the Nollies Back!

 

[CJ]

Obviously an old photo, but heres one of the old GNER Class 90s (found this on Wikipedia):

I take it this either part of NXEA or one of the ScotRail Class 90s?

 

[90019]

Obviously an old photo, but heres one of the old GNER Class 90s (found this on Wikipedia):
http://i52.tinypic.com/2wdqavd.jpg

I take it this either part of NXEA or one of the ScotRail Class 90s?

It's 90024, which was the only one repainted. It's now in FSR livery.

 

[Lampshade]

Well...it's still around isn't it?

Only in physical presence, it gave up the ghost years ago

 

[Nym]

The 90 should keep time on a semi fast, as their average speed shouldn't be too much different. That was the experience previously. Whether NR has relaxed the 125 mph passenger traction only rule on the ECML, I do not know.

I'm surprised no one has mentioned the expensive and time consuming reality of crew training for this. At least a week in the classroom at a guess. That's a lot of driving turns to cover.

I'm taking some convincing that this isn't just another enthusiast rumour.

I get the feeling they may well just use either Freightliner drivers or pilots.

 

[SC318250]

If the skodas are for use with Mk4s they'll need working UIC connectors and rubbing plates.

Are 90018/019/020 still equipped with these? Also 90017, although this was one they were getting rid of

 

[captainbigun]

Only in physical presence, it gave up the ghost years ago

But it is now in bits with various parts being overhauled.....
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Are 90018/019/020 still equipped with these? Also 90017, although this was one they were getting rid of

Yes, all four do. But, fitting others will be an issue, there's a shortage of retractable buffers. I wouldn't expect to see 17 re-activated.

34 and 27 were always likely to re-appear at some point as others are stopped. I suspect they will replace two others in need of wheels/bogie overhaul etc etc.
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I get the feeling they may well just use either Freightliner drivers or pilots.

Don't believe FL men trained for class 1, and they won't sign all of the route.

So, we shall have to wait and see whether all of this has foundation.

 

[SC318250]

Captainbigun, thanks for reply. Do you see any of the ones that were offered for sale re-appearing, or is there now too much work involved to bring them back?

 

[CJ]

It's 90024, which was the only one repainted. It's now in FSR livery.

Ah, ok.

 

[captainbigun]

Captainbigun, thanks for reply. Do you see any of the ones that were offered for sale re-appearing, or is there now too much work involved to bring them back?

If there's a sound business case, then maybe. About half of them aren't too far gone, but they'd still need big dollars.

 

[dk1]

I hate getting DBS examples at this time of year on the GE. NX 90001-015 a far better as fittied with side blinds.

 

[captainbigun]

How's the aircon standing up given that it's a perennial issue?

 

[E&W Lucas]

I get the feeling they may well just use either Freightliner drivers or pilots.

I doubt it. I think the relevant ASLEF branches might have something to say about that!!!

 

[dk1]

How's the aircon standing up given that it's a perennial issue?

Very good. Has been the odd train terminated at Colchester in the last couple of months but as far as i am aware no cab heat related issues over the recent hot spell. That is a credit to the 90 team at Crown Point.

 

[MCR247]

Looks like the are looking for a MK3 set as well, as they emailed ROSCOs according to AndyS on another forum

Porterbrook said they can get some from Long Marston...

 

[captainbigun]

In terms of ROSCOs there's only PB who have any MK3s. I don't believe there are many spare, let alone spare and serviceable. There aren't many at LM. I believe the DVTs are now DBRs as are many of the Mk3s. The only other possible supplier, I suspect, is Cargo-D.

 

[NightatLaira]

What about the Wrexham & Shropshire Mk3 and Mk3 DVT set? Could that be used with a 90?

And just out of interest: are mk3 coaches heavier than mk4s? Or is it the other way around?

I think with the addition of padding a 90 set could keep to time on a York to Kings Cross stopper as well as the West Yorkshire extensions to Bradford FS and Skipton.

 

[87015]

In terms of ROSCOs there's only PB who have any MK3s. I don't believe there are many spare, let alone spare and serviceable. There aren't many at LM. I believe the DVTs are now DBRs as are many of the Mk3s. The only other possible supplier, I suspect, is Cargo-D.

I'm pretty sure Cargo-D now only have Mk3 FOs, having sold all the TSOs to DB. I agree that I wouldn't want to see the state of many of the Porterbrook ones left at LM, they were run into the ground when they went in there...

 

[captainbigun]

Yes, you're right, CD only have FO MK3s and the RFMs. DBR hoovered up whatever they could a while back.

 

[NXEA!]

Yes, you're right, CD only have FO MK3s and the RFMs. DBR hoovered up whatever they could a while back.

Why couldn't you re-seat the FO's with Standard IC70 seats? I'm pretty sure WSMR did that for one of the Blue and Grey Mark 3's they were using before the arrival of their own. So if the reports on the other forum are true, will this just be temporary, or a permanent arrangement? Personally I think they should keep this rake if they source one that is, as it can cover for an unavailable HST under the wires or relieve the pressure on the Mark 4's, and could become somewhat of an East Coast Pretendolino in that it could be used on an extra Fridays only working. Either way, I think it would be a good idea for them to make it a permanent addition to the fleet.

 

[captainbigun]

Yes, you could re-fit with standard class seating, presumably they'd want this to be Mallard.

As a standby set it will always be constrained by crewing. If it happens, it would work specific diagrams with specific crew to keep costs down.

 

[route:oxford]

So what Mk3 stock do PB have at LM at the moment?

 

[junglejames]

I get the feeling they may well just use either Freightliner drivers or pilots.

It wont take much at all to train the drivers. For some drivers it will just be a refresher, having driven them last time they were on the Leeds diagrams. For others its just a quit conversion course, as the 90s and 91s are very similar.
Certainly last time it was just a quick conversion course.

 

[captainbigun]

It wont take much at all to train the drivers. For some drivers it will just be a refresher, having driven them last time they were on the Leeds diagrams. For others its just a quit conversion course, as the 90s and 91s are very similar.
Certainly last time it was just a quick conversion course.

Eh? And you know that for a fact?!

It was ten plus years ago and it was expensive. Many of the drivers will have retired or moved on. So, as I said above, it will be certain drivers from a particular link or links. It's not just about the actual driving, it's about the fault finding and other procedures which will be quite different.

 

[junglejames]

Eh? And you know that for a fact?!

It was ten plus years ago and it was expensive. Many of the drivers will have retired or moved on. So, as I said above, it will be certain drivers from a particular link or links. It's not just about the actual driving, it's about the fault finding and other procedures which will be quite different.

Well unless people that did the course have unnecessarily lied to me.
Yes ive already guessed they will keep it to a particular link/ links, plus im aware of whats involved.

 

[captainbigun]

Right-o. I suspect you haven't a clue.....given your post above.

Please do tell me what's the same on a 90 and 91?!

 

[junglejames]

Havent a clue? Slight exageration. Nowt i said suggested i never had a clue. You sound like one of these people who tries to read far too much into what people say.
Whats the same. Nowt is. Nothing is the same between one 90 and another even. The sheet of metal on one is not the same bit of metal on another. The wheel on one is a different wheel than on another, as is quite obvious i think!

Of course, this will make you think i have even less of a clue, but thats good. Thats exactly what Im trying to do.

Right-o. I suspect you haven't a clue.....given your post above.

Please do tell me what's the same on a 90 and 91?!

 

[FLHH East Anglia]

Don't know why you are worried who will drive em etc,surely you only wanna ride behind em,or in front if pushing?

 

[junglejames]

No, now I'm baffled. Anyway...we'll move on.

We shall.
Apparently 90s already have the UIC sockets, and rubbing plates are not needed. Apparently not many of the 90s used last time had rubbing plates.

This coming from the resident 90 expert on another forum. Sounds like he has been reading these posts. I wont mention how your post regarding this was described!!

 

[captainbigun]

Well, I'll happily talk to him directly if he shows his face! Failing that name the forum and I'll go figure myself!

I didn't say 90s didn't have UIC sockets, they were built with them from new! However, how well they have been maintained given no use in the last 10 years remains to be seen. Rubbing plates are desirable for operation with Mk4s, you're right in that not all of the 90s had/have them.