Progress on Avanti West Coast's 805/807s Hitachi AT300 sets

[mansonlo49]

805 move return hitachi got rescheduled today, anyone hv idea? Thanks

 

[800001]

805 move return hitachi got rescheduled today, anyone hv idea? Thanks

805002

 

[mansonlo49]

805002

Thanks

805002

What’s the purpose of the unit heading down south previously and return to hitachi? Thanks

 

[Zakaria Fadel]

Realtime Trains | 1D80 0604 Stafford to Holyhead | 23/04/2025

Real-time train running information for 1D80 0604 departure from Stafford to Holyhead on 23/04/2025. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

805006 has officially entered revenue service today working 1D80 from Stafford to Holyhead alongside 805003.

 

[DJH1971]

Any indication of 807009 entering service soon?

 

[MalaiseForever]

I'm on a faulty 1D84, was 23L leaving Euston and lost even more time up to Milton Keynes, so now 30L. Just been announced we are being terminated short at Crewe - fine for me but a few unhappy passengers for Chester and beyond!

These 805s seem to have issues very often!

 

[LNW-GW Joint]

I'm on a faulty 1D84, was 23L leaving Euston and lost even more time up to Milton Keynes, so now 30L. Just been announced we are being terminated short at Crewe - fine for me but a few unhappy passengers for Chester and beyond!
These 805s seem to have issues very often!

That's a double unit (805 009/011 according to RTT).
You'd expect at least one unit to reach Chester.

 

[MalaiseForever]

That's a double unit (805 009/011 according to RTT).
You'd expect at least one unit to reach Chester.

Yes, it's a double. But they've announced it's fully cancelled at Crewe so the next working isn't impacted by the delay.

 

[800001]

That's a double unit (805 009/011 according to RTT).
You'd expect at least one unit to reach Chester.

What do you then do with faulty unit? Leave at Crewe? Who is going to move it? Is there a driver there to move it or shunt it somewhere?

 

[gardenman90]

What do you then do with faulty unit? Leave at Crewe? Who is going to move it? Is there a driver there to move it or shunt it somewhere?

Could be both carry on back south, looking at timings it lost 30 minutes on it's first run at Crewe which is where they change power, didn't loose any further time on either trip so could be an issue with the power changeover and they don't want to risk it failing when it changes at Crewe

 

[poffle]

Could be both carry on back south, looking at timings it lost 30 minutes on it's first run at Crewe which is where they change power, didn't loose any further time on either trip so could be an issue with the power changeover and they don't want to risk it failing when it changes at Crewe

Also 1A24 HHD-EUS 10 car train 805003 + 805006 was terminated at MKC southbound. " Fault with the train". Seemed to have spent 45 minutes at Crewe southbound. The return working 1D87 started from Milton Keynes and seems to be a scheduled to arrive in Chester on time, so it looks like the trains are still running ok.

Seems to be a bad day for Avanti North Wales route.

 

[Railperf]

Also 1A24 HHD-EUS 10 car train 805003 + 805006 was terminated at MKC southbound. " Fault with the train". Seemed to have spent 45 minutes at Crewe southbound. The return working 1D87 started from Milton Keynes and seems to be a scheduled to arrive in Chester on time, so it looks like the trains are still running ok.

Seems to be a bad day for Avanti North Wales route.

Let's face it, the systems redesign of the class 805 trains means they are currently working through the bathtub curve of reliability. It sounds like the only thing in common with the previous series is the body shell. And with the 221's having been quickly dispatched back to the Rosco, North Wales customers are going to get used to using TFW services for some time to come.
Engine reliability still seems to be a major concern. There appear to be issues with coupling and uncoupling. And the driver I recently spoken to seem to indicate that it can be hit or miss whether the train recognises what station it is at so that the correct doors can be opened and closed, especially at stations with shorter platforms.

 

[voyagerdude220]

Also 1A24 HHD-EUS 10 car train 805003 + 805006 was terminated at MKC southbound. " Fault with the train". Seemed to have spent 45 minutes at Crewe southbound. The return working 1D87 started from Milton Keynes and seems to be a scheduled to arrive in Chester on time, so it looks like the trains are still running ok.

Seems to be a bad day for Avanti North Wales route.

Apparently 1A26 (not 1A24) fault was door interlock fault at Crewe.

 

[Mikey C]

On 805013 , paired with 805009 just out of Euston.

The seat reservation displays seem on the blink, fortunately the train is pretty empty. The human tannoy announcements are too soft also.

Amusingly the internal display and announcements thinks the next station is Bangor...

 

[Zakaria Fadel]

Any news on 805002, 807009 and 807010?

 

[mansonlo49]

Any news on 805002, 807009 and 807010?

805002 returned to hitachi

 

[Zakaria Fadel]

805002 returned to hitachi

Yes, I’m aware. But I don’t know why it’s returned to Hitachi. I’m assuming service prep after testing…

 

[Mikey C]

The ride seems better than on other 80x I've been on before. Revisions to the design or just smoother track on the southern WCML?

 

[Geogregor]

Some shots from Liverpool, they do look like nice trains from outside:

20250411_173603 by Geogregor*, on Flickr


20250411_173613 by Geogregor*, on Flickr

Striking contrast:

20250411_173721 by Geogregor*, on Flickr

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

Some shots from Liverpool, they do look like nice trains from outside:

20250411_173603 by Geogregor*, on Flickr


20250411_173613 by Geogregor*, on Flickr

Striking contrast:

20250411_173721 by Geogregor*, on Flickr

I find the onboard ambience hugely bland and sterile compared to Pendolinos. I also dislike the very bright lighting, Black-country Tanya Rich announcements and the hard thin First Class seats. I’m personally glad my local route of Manchester is an all-Pendolino zone.

 

[Mikey C]

They do have bigger windows and much better legroom in standard though than the 390s.

 

[VicH]

Any news on 805002, 807009 and 807010?

807009 was in Wembley yard this morning

 

[800001]

Yes, I’m aware. But I don’t know why it’s returned to Hitachi. I’m assuming service prep after testing…

it’s in the post production modification tent.

 

[tfw756rider]

The ride seems better than on other 80x I've been on before. Revisions to the design or just smoother track on the southern WCML?

From what people have been saying, smoother track on the southern West Coast Main Line.

They do have bigger windows and much better legroom in standard though than the 390s.

I can't help but notice in the photo how "tilted up at the front" the bottom parts of the seats are - it's like they're at a right angle of the backs of the seats rather than being flat. Yet, for some reason, when I actually tried out an 805 and 807, I didn't notice that.

 

[Zakaria Fadel]

it’s in the post production modification tent.

Oh, okay. I’m guessing there’s some issue with it or it’s awaiting final prep ready to enter service after testing.

 

[phixl]

Some shots from Liverpool, they do look like nice trains from outside:

20250411_173603 by Geogregor*, on Flickr


20250411_173613 by Geogregor*, on Flickr

Striking contrast:

20250411_173721 by Geogregor*, on Flickr

I was there today - even took a trip to Runcorn and back - lovely train

 

[route101]

From what people have been saying, smoother track on the southern West Coast Main Line.


I can't help but notice in the photo how "tilted up at the front" the bottom parts of the seats are - it's like they're at a right angle of the backs of the seats rather than being flat. Yet, for some reason, when I actually tried out an 805 and 807, I didn't notice that.

The 390 seats are the same, notice it when first sitting down.

 

[DJH1971]

805002 returned to hitachi

807009 was delivered, but not sure when it is entering service and 807010 is set to be revealed fairly soon.

 

[Zakaria Fadel]

with 807009, it almost certainly won’t be long at all until it enters revenue service. 807010, will enter revenue service after Avanti do a press launch on its diversity livery (not long from now), undergoes mainline testing and until it is delivered to Avanti, it won’t enter service yet.

 

[Pendomonium]

Aren't Avanti funding it, and Network rail implementing it? Didn't ORR throw a spanner in the works requiring TASS or some sort of safety case / procedure to prevent overspeeding? It appears some bridge resonance issues are resolved allowing 110mph at the upper end of the Trent Valley, but all the new signage continues to remain bagged over. An 807 driver I spoke to seemed to be in the dark saying driver training on the new limits has not commenced yet.

I believe a software update has been applied (To 805s at least) to the Train Management System that now sets the default speed limit to 110 & introduces a Driver Advisory System. However.... ( you can guess where this is going)... The DAS is complete pants & is going to require a lot more work before its useable. Thus the MU speeds remain, as ever, a distant vision.