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Tyne & Wear Metro Fleet Replacement: Awarded to Stadler

hopperelec

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I'm also a software developer, and I agree that it would be a very simple fix. However, it's probably for the same reason the route codes still show on the bottom right (e.g.: "T2v7"), where it's supposed to show "YELLOW LINE" and "GREEN LINE"; it was there as debug information during testing, and Stadler charge a lot for any kind of change to the trains, so Nexus haven't bothered to pay to have it removed.
 
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I'm also a software developer, and I agree that it would be a very simple fix. However, it's probably for the same reason the route codes still show on the bottom right (e.g.: "T2v7"), where it's supposed to show "YELLOW LINE" and "GREEN LINE"; it was there as debug information during testing, and Stadler charge a lot for any kind of change to the trains, so Nexus haven't bothered to pay to have it removed.
I can understand having the version number in the bottom, it makes for quicker debug checks and reporting for metro staff onboard and customers.

I wonder how much Stadler would charge to remove the platform number though, I must be in the wrong sector as this is something I'd do free for a client
 

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It's not a version number, despite what it looks like and what some staff even told me once lol. In Txvy, the x is an identifer for the destination and the y is a corresponding identifier for the station it came from. For example, 2 means South Shields and 7 means St James, so T2v7 means the train came from St James and its headed to South Shields. "YELLOW LINE" and "GREEN LINE" is what it is meant to say, and it sometimes does.
 

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It's not a version number, despite what it looks like and what some staff even told me once lol. In Txvy, the x is an identifer for the destination and the y is a corresponding identifier for the station it came from. For example, 2 means South Shields and 7 means St James, so T2v7 means the train came from St James and its headed to South Shields. "YELLOW LINE" and "GREEN LINE" is what it is meant to say, and it sometimes does.
Ahhhh, gotcha, okay that makes a lot less sense why that's visible in production. I know it's not a big deal, but it's the little things that go a long way sometimes. I've overheard a passenger getting somewhat confused at shiremoor by it listing the platform number.
 

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555015 has done a run down to South Hylton this morning.
Should be out again later - leaving Depot around 14:30, down to South Shields, then around the full Coast Loop and back to Longbenton.

Planned to be same again tomorrow.
 

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Should be out again later - leaving Depot around 14:30, down to South Shields, then around the full Coast Loop and back to Longbenton.

Planned to be same again tomorrow.
Has it been on test or driver training? I noted that it wasn’t running on either of the two usual TRBs for driver training whilst on network rail infrastructure.
 

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Has it been on test or driver training? I noted that it wasn’t running on either of the two usual TRBs for driver training whilst on network rail infrastructure.
The path 555015 is on is one for testing related to the ongoing issues. On the days it is running Kilometre Accumulation paths don't operate.

The driver training path is running as normal today.
 

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The sliding steps on the doors will have sensors on them to detect the platform edge which determines how far the sliding step extends. A potential solution that would help in a situation like this would be to set it up so that if the sliding step reached its maximum extension without detecting the platform edge, the door would remain closed.
I did at one time manage to find the developer's manual for the IFE/Knorr-Bremse FLEX door modules (via an Indian Railways tender document cache which is sadly no longer available) and as standard it does not expose signals from the step actuation part of the sequence on it's interfaces - it simply gives a 'DOOR OPEN' or 'FAILED' response to a 'RELEASE' signal from the train control system, depending on whether the step and door have successfully completed their sequences.

IFE say in their mearketing documentation that the firmware is customisable, but it means Stadler (i.e. Nexus) would have to pay IFE to add an intermediate 'STEP AT FULL TRAVEL' response into the sequence, and then Stadler would need to rewrite their own door control code to handle it.

I believe Merseytravel are also currently paying Stadler to integrate either Stella Tracklink or a similar system on the 777s to allow SDO on the Northern Line stations south of Liverpool Central that do not have platforms long enough for 8-car working. Nexus signed a contract with Stella last year to provide SCADA-based train monitoring and the Tracklink system to enable radio changeover, so if they want SDO or CSDE, the system is there, they would just need pay Stella to extend it, and Stadler to integrate it (possibly piggybacking off the work for the 777s).
 

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555015 out on test again today, left Airport around 30 mins ago.
Does anyone know what the fix proposed is?
 

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Have the 555s now been completely grounded as opposed to just out of service? Noticed that the usual training diagram doesn’t seem to be running today, nor does there appear to be a unit out on test.
 

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I don't understand the protracted delay if it really was just "driver error". Surely in that case it would just be a rap on the knuckles, off for retraining and carry on as you were?
 

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I don't understand the protracted delay if it really was just "driver error". Surely in that case it would just be a rap on the knuckles, off for retraining and carry on as you were?
But, by driver error, with doors armed that opens the doors.

Without the doors armed, if driver did release doors wrong side, 99% of time people wouldn’t even notice as unless someone presses door button they won’t open.
 

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But, by driver error, with doors armed that opens the doors.

Without the doors armed, if driver did release doors wrong side, 99% of time people wouldn’t even notice as unless someone presses door button they won’t open.

But this is still less of an issue than a wrong-side release on stock where all the doors open without passenger intervention.

A pragmatic view needs to be taken to the risk here, and if the risk is deemed high enough that the pre-select feature is to be removed, that in my mind suggests that the risk is considered serious enough that CSDE needs to be implemented.

Either way, I'd suggest some "Do not lean on the doors" signage wouldn't be a bad idea, regardless of the outcome.
 

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Well we should be about to see a 555 back in passenger service on T121 in the next couple of minutes...
 

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Can confirm that door pre-selection has *not* been disabled, and it still works even when pressed on the wrong side. From a passenger’s perspective nothing has changed on them.
 

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Have the 555s now been completely grounded as opposed to just out of service? Noticed that the usual training diagram doesn’t seem to be running today, nor does there appear to be a unit out on test.
No training diagrams run on a Wednesday, just mon/tues, thurs x2 and a Friday if needed
 

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Can confirm that door pre-selection has *not* been disabled, and it still works even when pressed on the wrong side. From a passenger’s perspective nothing has changed on them.
Mitigations to avoid the incident repeating have been agreed on pending a change to the software - so it may well be disabled in the coming days/weeks when this is finalised.
 

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No training diagrams run on a Wednesday, just mon/tues, thurs x2 and a Friday if needed
Ah that’ll explain it, thanks.

Mitigations to avoid the incident repeating have been agreed on pending a change to the software - so it may well be disabled in the coming days/weeks when this is finalised.
I’m sure there’s a reason for it but if it’s been considered safe enough to go back into service today then I’m struggling to see why it would need disabling?

It is disabled, on the train now and it's not lighting up when in motion
It doesn’t light up but it still works - try it. It worked when I tried it about an hour ago.
 

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Press release for reintroduction of trains:
Update on the roll out of the new Metro train fleet, 30 April 2025:

Cathy Massarella, Managing Director of Nexus said: “Following our decision to temporarily suspend the new trains in service last week, I am pleased to confirm the new fleet has started to be re-introduced back into service from today.

“We have worked closely with Stadler to identify a solution to the issue and resume the programme as soon as possible.

“I know this temporary pause was disappointing, but we don’t expect this to have any impact on the overall roll out timescales.
 

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Door debates aside, 012 and 014 are due to arrive next week.
Reported to be at Dollands Moor now.

Initial path to Wembley in system, path from RTT attached below.

 

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6Q34 should appear in RTT either later on today or overnight.

In a first, subject to the usual caveats, the Class 43s will deliver the wagons back to Dollands Moor directly from Pelaw on Friday.
 

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RTT showing 0815 0A11 Kings Norton OTPD to Wembley Receptions 1-7 and 1345 6Q34 to Pelaw Junction for Thursday, nothing at this time for a return from Pelaw
 

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