There are several out on Saturday from next week but can’t see any on Sunday yet. I’m sure that will change once they are all in service and we’re down to 13 387s.
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Great Northern Fleet - 379s introduction
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thediamonder11
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Do you know what services/diagrams they are?
I’ve only seen a few Drivers diagrams.
thediamonder11
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Alright. I'll keep a lookout.
Its a lot harder to check now that the new timetable has put an end to the 1Qxx services in the morning.
Failed Unit
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I think the 0656 Cambridge - London diagram is still one, it is Cancelled this morning because of a train crew shortage.
bramling
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One of the 379 diagrams still seems to be cancelled as of the early afternoon. Really not going well this is it?…
Both trains I intended to catch today (the 0947 Ely to Kings Cross and the 1709 Kings Cross to Kings Lynn) have been cancelled - in both cases the reason on RTT is 'This service was cancelled due to the planned train being replaced with a slower train (MS)'. I'm not entirely sure what that means (if it is a 'not exactly accurate' RTT cancellation reason) - but has the diagram changed for either of these? They *were* 387s.
At this point, I have to say I'd have preferred to keep the 387s and let the 379s go elsewhere. The service we get on GN is bad enough already without further disruption/cancellations/short-forms caused by this change. Maybe I'll change my mind once things are properly bedded in, but so far I'm not persuaded.
jammmmmsssssss
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Where else would they have gone? They wanted to have more third rail trains (which 387s are, and 379s aren't), so they needed to get the 387s off Great Northern and replace them with something else, which was the 379s
No idea, I'm just venting. It is unacceptable that Cambridge North has been left with just one service departing (in any direction!) between 1739 and 1834 tonight, particularly given it is largely supposed to be a station for commuters to use.
In any event, that 1 service - 1T51, the 1710 off KLN, was a 379(!) formed of 379027+379017. My first time on a 379 since probably 2019, and yeah - it's a marginal improvement over a 387, but not massive. On the whole I'd rather have a reliable service. Hopefully today is just the new timetable bedding down, we'll see.
Failed Unit
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I understand an extra diagram was converted from 387 to 379 today, so you could be the lucky winner. We saw this a lot when the 700s (and 387s) we introduced. Where the trains were cancelled because they happened to have a no train driver on part of it. Not sure what % of GN drivers are trained for the 379.
TSGN Spotter
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1T02 started at Cambridge formed by the stock off 1T05, 1T05 cancelled at Cambridge. 1T05 this morning not 379s, seems like 387173 and another 387
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Failed Unit
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The 0656 was cancelled again, assuming because of lack of a driver signing the 379. Certainly Deja vu back to the days when the 700s and 387s were introduced, however the big difference back then was it was often possible to put another type of train on the diagram as the stock was not released until they were confident they could deliver the service. With the 387s already gone they don't have that luxury this time (No sure if anyone is winning here, Southern are suffering because the 377s have already gone) - I assume SouthEastern are the only happy ones with this current cascade.
Royston Vasey
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Special stop orders for Foxton, Shepreth and Meldreth inserted into 1T07 06:10 KLN-KGX between the two cancelled 2Cs. Decent service recovery, making gaps in service 37 and 47 minutes rather than 90 minutes compared to the usual 30 minutes.
1T07 was 7 late at Royston and 6 late at Kings Cross. Not terrible. A lot of those passengers would have been either local journeys or aiming to change onto 1T07 at Royston anyway so shouldn't have overwhelmed it.
A few knock on cancellations the 2C/1T circuit now though and some unrelated heavy delays around Potters Bar and Hatfield coming back north. Not the best morning for Great Northern.
Fortunately I'm booked from Whittlesford this morning, as usual a haven of green On Time serenity.
1T07 was 7 late at Royston and 6 late at Kings Cross. Not terrible. A lot of those passengers would have been either local journeys or aiming to change onto 1T07 at Royston anyway so shouldn't have overwhelmed it.
A few knock on cancellations the 2C/1T circuit now though and some unrelated heavy delays around Potters Bar and Hatfield coming back north. Not the best morning for Great Northern.
Fortunately I'm booked from Whittlesford this morning, as usual a haven of green On Time serenity.
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0717 Letchworth to KGX, 0812 KGX to Ely, 0947 Ely to KGX cancelled for the second day in a row. Guess I'll be late to work for the second day running.
0842 KGX to KLN cancelled as well as that is the next journey for the 0656 off Cambridge (though yesterday they managed to run the 0842 despite the 0656 being cancelled - not today).
More ways for things to go wrong on GN, over-and-above the usual mess of a service, was not really what we were looking for, but looks like that's what this 379 introduction is doing.
0842 KGX to KLN cancelled as well as that is the next journey for the 0656 off Cambridge (though yesterday they managed to run the 0842 despite the 0656 being cancelled - not today).
More ways for things to go wrong on GN, over-and-above the usual mess of a service, was not really what we were looking for, but looks like that's what this 379 introduction is doing.
Royston Vasey
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Is it fair to deduce it's mostly a case of not enough drivers trained on 379s, rather than faults with the units?
bramling
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Think it’s a bit of both.
The 1327 Letchworth to King’s Cross has now been cancelled on four out of the five most recent weekdays it was scheduled to run. According to RTT, three of these were crew-related and one was train-related.
One way or other, it isn’t good enough. Once again GTR are demonstrating that operationally they’re just not up to the task of delivering the basics, in other words a train turning up at the time it’s meant to.
The GN could do without this at the moment, performance has already been bad enough over recent months, users could do without more trouble. As has been said before, all GN users are really getting out of this is different seats.
Are the cascade dates set in stone? Have any 465 or 466 gone off lease recently? Are any coming up due for overhaul? If not, ploughing on with the cascade and then cancelling trains owing to lack of stock seems like an odd strategy.
Driver training is just about complete although a few require refreshers as they haven’t ever driven one
Oh good, 1T48 (1709 KGX-KLN) is cancelled again, just like yesterday. And 1T51 (1710 KLN-KGX) - last night a 379, tonight cancelled.
Result : *zero* trains from Cambridge North tonight between 1739 and 1832, in any direction. Wonderful.
Result : *zero* trains from Cambridge North tonight between 1739 and 1832, in any direction. Wonderful.
Class455
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1T48’s cancellation was for a reason completely unrelated to the 379 introduction, just for the record.
I admit I'm clearly having bad luck, but the last 2 days I've had 4 out of 4 trains I intended to catch cancelled, so I'm currently a little bit fed up with GN (even more than usual!).
Though to be fair, it isn't especially GN's fault that the timetable at Cambridge North is so rubbish at exactly the time commuters may actually want to use the station. (As above, between 1740-1831 there are only 2 services timetabled to leave CMB, both of which are GN (and both cancelled tonight). By comparison, between 1840-1931 there are 7 services timetabled...). So the impact of these two cancellations tonight is somewhat greater than they would be at other times of day.
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Wednesday 21st : much better today, just about everything seems to have run. Of course today I wasn't trying to travel (!) so still waiting to see whether any of my regular services have become a 379 diagram.
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Thursday 22nd : 0947 Ely-KGX ran today, and was a 8-car 379... Assuming it is now diagrammed as such, I guess that explains the cancellations earlier this week.
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Class455
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How many 379's are currently still at Worksop? I'm assuming all units in storage have at least visited Hornsey by now!
006/024/025 are all now in passenger service, not sure if any others are yet.
50002Superb
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See post #1695
0947 Ely-KGX cancelled again this morning - or rather started at Letchworth, the incoming service (the 0812 from Kings Cross) having terminated short there. Supposedly due to 'driver shortage'.
Assuming yesterday's run was indicative, this appears to be a 379 service now. I hope they do rather better running this from now on than they've managed this week.
Assuming yesterday's run was indicative, this appears to be a 379 service now. I hope they do rather better running this from now on than they've managed this week.
...and the next service on this diagram (2C24 KGX to CBG) has been terminated at Letchworth too (and hence the 1326 from Cambridge is cancelled). What's going on with these services only able to get as far as Letchworth?
Actually, looks like the diagram has been cancelled for the rest of the day - 1512 KGX-KLN and 1710 KLN-KGX already reporting as cancelled too.
Going really well.
windjabbers
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I think this is the possible location of all units at the moment. But not sure 019 is still at Peterbo. 004/021/025 and 028 may have started working and Ive just missed them. BW DC
| in service with GTR based at HE | 13 | 001/002/006/010/016/017/020/022/023/024/026/027/029 |
| At Hornsey but not in passenger service | 4 | 004/021/025/028 |
| Stored at Peterbo Nene Sidings | 1 | 019 |
| Stored at Worksop | 12 | 003/005/007/008/009/011/012/013/014/015/018/030 |
whoosh
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They have slightly different cameras and monitors to 387s. In order to be 'cleared' to use a platform in passenger service they should've undergone a test run, where the DOO camera images are assessed to be satisfactory with regard to station lighting etc.
There was a limited number of stations where this had been done - hence the Peterborough and Letchworth services starting up in the last timetable - but I'm not sure off the top of my head whether any more have been added.
TSGN Spotter
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1740 departure from Kings lynn is a 379 diagram