LNER Football Additional Trains Cancelled (Not actually cancelled) (24/05)

[skyhigh]

The issue is allegedly that an insulator to do with the pantograph/transformer system has been getting dirty, and the wet weather has moistened the dirt and caused electric currents to be able to bridge the insulator.

 

[SuspectUsual]

What would be the alternative though? You can’t really drive to Wembley on match day can you?

Drive to Stanmore or Uxbridge, park, get the tube

 

[superalbs]

Lumo would only say to board GC if they had been given Authority by their control team (operated by XC).
Lumo would formally request this, not just go ahead and publish.

Lumo's control team is operated by CrossCountry? Why?

 

[greatkingrat]

Lumo's control team is operated by CrossCountry? Why?

Because they are too small to justify having their own control.

 

[800001]

Lumo's control team is operated by CrossCountry? Why?

Grand Central control is operated by XC.

 

[Snow1964]

The issue is allegedly that an insulator to do with the pantograph/transformer system has been getting dirty, and the wet weather has moistened the dirt and caused electric currents to be able to bridge the insulator.

So real reason is train had some dirt and grime that had been allowed to accumulate.

Sounds rather like the reason behind for the 175 fires few years back

 

[Pyewipecarshed]

Depends on the issue. Numerous trains operate in service every day with faults/issues. Just depends on whether it is safety critical etc.

I think we can assume it was classed as safety critical, given that all trains were ordered to be examined immediately and some were pulled from service for repair.

 

[800001]

So real reason is train had some dirt and grime that had been allowed to accumulate.

Sounds rather like the reason behind for the 175 fires few years back

From what I have been told there was arcing around pantographs even when they were lowered.

 

[DanNCL]

Lumo control used to be ran by TPE. Is that still the case now that TPE is no longer operated by first?

 

[800001]

Lumo control used to be ran by TPE. Is that still the case now that TPE is no longer operated by first?

Yes that is still the case, on a rolling 1 year contract. Lumo and HT both use TPE.

 

[superalbs]

Grand Central control is operated by XC.

Ohhh okay, that makes sense.

Lumo control used to be ran by TPE. Is that still the case now that TPE is no longer operated by first?

And that also makes sense.

Thanks everyone.

 

[Iskra]

So real reason is train had some dirt and grime that had been allowed to accumulate.

Sounds rather like the reason behind for the 175 fires few years back

Slightly harsh, the unusually dry conditions have led to increased dust, which will get places humans can’t (easily).

 

[Andymo]

If you don’t respond to the dry weather with maintenance to prevent issues then problems occur. The UK very rarely has severe conditions of any weather in an international context and it’s obviously gradual over weeks anyway. It’s just very poor all round.

 

[Egg Centric]

Is there any non public (publically it's fine at the moment) reason to believe the 2130 out of Kings Cross is at risk? I'm on it but would shift to something earlier (or tomorrow) if it looked prudent.

 

[800Travel]

Is there any non public (publically it's fine at the moment) reason to believe the 2130 out of Kings Cross is at risk? I'm on it but would shift to something earlier (or tomorrow) if it looked prudent.

Due to be operated by 801229

Source: https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:N79564/2025-05-24/detailed

801229 is currently in service on 1S12

Source: https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:Y23429/2025-05-24/detailed

So it's not stuck in the depot undergoing maintenance at least

Also it's one of the extra Sunderland services (1N97) so it would be very bad PR if the extra train/trains back were cancelled, given the cancellations that could've affected fans getting down.

On Saturday 24 May:

• An additional 0717 Newcastle to London King's Cross service will operate, calling at Durham, Darlington, Northallerton and York.
• The 0758 Doncaster to London King's Cross service will now be formed of 10 coaches instead of 5.
• An additional 0905 Leeds to London King's Cross service will operate, calling at Wakefield Westgate and Doncaster.
• The 1047 Doncaster to London King's Cross service will now be formed of 10 coaches instead of 5.
• An additional 2025 London King's Cross to Doncaster service will operate, calling at Doncaster only.
• An additional 2130 London King's Cross to Newcastle service will operate, calling at York, Northallerton, Darlington, Durham and Newcastle.

Source: https://www.lner.co.uk/travel-information/travelling-now/travel-alerts

EDIT: Post updated to correct information taken on the basis of incorrect posting earlier in the thread.

 

[D1537]

The 0717 additional from Newcastle *did* run this morning (5 minutes after the cancelled Lumo should have left).

I was on 1E04, the 0828 from Newcastle which also had the passengers from 1E03 which was cancelled. It was *very* full but not ridiculous. However, I got off at Northallerton so I'm not sure how it was further south.

 

[Bald Rick]

Sunderland due to be playing in the play off final at Wembley today.

Extra trains announced running NCL - KGX but then cancelled at the last minute. Trains crush loaded and some people paying £300 for the privilege. Even if customers get 50% or 100% refund it really doesn’t make up for their day being significantly impacted.

It’s no surprise many of these people next time won’t take the train as what should be one of the best days of their year has been spoiled.

There seems to be a misunderstanding. The extra trains have run. I saw one of the in service, and whilst it was pretty full, it wasn‘t remotely crush loaded.

The cancellations are regular timetabled trains.

Anyone know if there is a similar fault and what it is, or if it’s just many trains needing repairs for different things?

More needing repairs, is a polite way of saying we miscalculated the number of trains and spares and didn't allow for any excess repairs that happen every few weeks/months

Nothing to do with spares.

What can suddenly of happened to affect 3 operators trains coming off the same depot (Heaton)?
Did they not like the heavy rain last night?

The rain was a contributory factor, yes.

 

[littledude]

The number of people who have absolutely no clue on the cause of the failures, but still feel the need to wade in as an ‘expert’ is amazing! OHLE had tripped at a number of depots on the ECML during the night. It was suspected, but not proven at the time, that a specific defect on the Hitachi trains could be a plausible explanation. If it was indeed true, it was an unfortunate combination of the recent sustained dry weather and the sudden heavy rain last night.

It wasn’t intentional, it wasn’t negligence, it wasn’t poor maintenance, it wasn’t the Russians and I’m pretty sure it wasn’t the illuminati…

 

[Bald Rick]

It wasn’t intentional, it wasn’t negligence, it wasn’t poor maintenance, it wasn’t the Russians and I’m pretty sure it wasn’t the illuminati…

Quite. Seems a coincidence that Heaton depot is worst affected, on the day that Sunderland have their biggest game in years. Heaton being in Newcastle of course (evil laugh, conspiracy theory, mwahahahaha)

 

[D1537]

Extra trains announced running NCL - KGX but then cancelled at the last minute. Trains crush loaded and some people paying £300 for the privilege. Even if customers get 50% or 100% refund it really doesn’t make up for their day being significantly impacted.

Quite. Seems a coincidence that Heaton depot is worst affected, on the day that Sunderland have their biggest game in years. Heaton being in Newcastle of course (evil laugh, conspiracy theory, mwahahahaha)

Sadly for this excellent conspiracy theory, only one train (1Y05) was cancelled because of train issues at Heaton. The additional train (there was only supposed to be one, not sure where "extra trains" came from) still ran - it came empty from Neville Hill instead.

The other three cancelled southbounds all came from Craigentinny. Unless there's a black and white operative there as well ...

 

[chiltern trev]

So does the regular maintenance regime need updated to clean insulators more frequently?

Is this affecting other EMU fleets?

According to some recent weather maps for April, the WCML between Lancaster and Glasgow has been drier than the ECML between York and Edinburgh.

 

[Egg Centric]

The other three cancelled southbounds all came from Craigentinny. Unless there's a black and white operative there as well ...

Probably. Saudis have a lot of money, this would be nothing to them.

Excpect some mysterious problems on the A1 later too. Driver will be described as dark with bird like features.

 

[dk1]

Depends on the issue. Numerous trains operate in service every day with faults/issues. Just depends on whether it is safety critical etc.

Not necessarily safety critical. If any fault that a train should not leave a maintenance depot with is found by the driver on prep then it is a failure regardless if it cannot be rectified and all drivers will refuse to move said train.

Rules are very different from a train starting at a station or stabling points with the same fault.

 

[800001]

There seems to be a misunderstanding. The extra trains have run. I saw one of the in service, and whilst it was pretty full, it wasn‘t remotely crush loaded.

The cancellations are regular timetabled trains.





Nothing to do with spares.



The rain was a contributory factor, yes.

Yes, I’m aware of the events which caused this now.

 

[Pyewipecarshed]

It wasn’t intentional, it wasn’t negligence, it wasn’t poor maintenance, it wasn’t the Russians and I’m pretty sure it wasn’t the illuminati…

 

[dk1]

The number of people who have absolutely no clue on the cause of the failures, but still feel the need to wade in as an ‘expert’ is amazing! OHLE had tripped at a number of depots on the ECML during the night. It was suspected, but not proven at the time, that a specific defect on the Hitachi trains could be a plausible explanation. If it was indeed true, it was an unfortunate combination of the recent sustained dry weather and the sudden heavy rain last night.

It wasn’t intentional, it wasn’t negligence, it wasn’t poor maintenance, it wasn’t the Russians and I’m pretty sure it wasn’t the illuminati…

This has just made me laugh so much. So very very true lol.

 

[Minilad]

The number of people who have absolutely no clue on the cause of the failures, but still feel the need to wade in as an ‘expert’ is amazing! OHLE had tripped at a number of depots on the ECML during the night. It was suspected, but not proven at the time, that a specific defect on the Hitachi trains could be a plausible explanation. If it was indeed true, it was an unfortunate combination of the recent sustained dry weather and the sudden heavy rain last night.

It wasn’t intentional, it wasn’t negligence, it wasn’t poor maintenance, it wasn’t the Russians and I’m pretty sure it wasn’t the illuminati…

I notice you haven't ruled out The Deep State

 

[MikeWh]

Well there were loads of Sunderland fans who weren't impacted by issues this morning at all. They were the ones partying in Trafalgar Square last night causing Charing Cross Underground station to be closed due to overcrowding. Walking up from Embankment at about 2300 the whole of Villiers Street was a sea of red and white.

 

[dk1]

Well there were loads of Sunderland fans who weren't impacted by issues this morning at all. They were the ones partying in Trafalgar Square last night causing Charing Cross Underground station to be closed due to overcrowding. Walking up from Embankment at about 2300 the whole of Villiers Street was a sea of red and white.

And I don’t think they’ll care whether a train turns up or not to get them home tonight. I’d imagine many won’t even make it back to Kings Cross anyway

 

[800Travel]

And I don’t think they’ll care whether a train turns up or not to get them home tonight. I’d imagine many won’t even make it back to Kings Cross anyway

Not too long ago, can't remember whether it was Sunderland or Newcastle (think it was the carabao cup so Newcastle), but I remember staff saying they had to put in place acceptance the next morning because so many people missed the last train back as they were busy partying