Cross Country Voyagers - rear set locked out of use?

[DarloRich]

It doesn't matter if the odd vehicle has an engine out in passenger service. I think Voyagers can almost keep time on 3/5 although it would be taken out of traffic when suitable.

fair enough - that is quite impressive

 

[Krokodil]

fair enough - that is quite impressive

Unlike the 805s which have replaced them at Avanti. I've been on 805s limping along on one engine on many occasions.

 

[43066]

It doesn't matter if the odd vehicle has an engine out in passenger service. I think Voyagers can almost keep time on 3/5 although it would be taken out of traffic when suitable.

Agreed. Ours (not actually called Voyagers but the same family) can indeed stay in service with three running because they’re so over engined. Keeping time is generally possible with four, but gets a little bit more marginal with three.

There’s still few things more annoying than keying into a cab and finding you’re down an engine or two .

fair enough - that is quite impressive

It’s part of the reason they’re so reliable.

 

[dk1]

fair enough - that is quite impressive

I’ve ridden a few like that. Weirdly quiet in that vehicle but as they cross feed all HVAC and lighting works as normal from what I recall.

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Agreed. Ours (not actually called Voyagers but the same family) can indeed stay in service with three running because they’re so over engined. Keeping time is generally possible with four, but gets a little bit more marginal with three.

There’s still few things more annoying than keying into a cab and finding you’re down an engine or two .



It’s part of the reason they’re so reliable.

I’m surprised that family of trains never had the eco-power treatment like the 185s. Say shutting an engine or two down in areas of less gradient.

 

[E B]

On the topic of staffing and XC Voyagers, does anyone know why they have been appearing on the odd few Leicester services these past few days, instead of the usual 170s? Particularly in the evenings? Is there a shortage of Senior Conductors?

Are Voyagers still running on the odd Brum - Leicester service?

 

[londonmidland]

Are Voyagers still running on the odd Brum - Leicester service?

There were the odd few diagrams which produced a Voyager last week. I think it’s because there’s a Senior Conductor shortage, so it saves cancelling the service.

They can only go as far as Leicester, however.

 

[Carlisle]

I’m surprised that family of trains never had the eco-power treatment like the 185s. Say shutting an engine or two down in areas of less gradient.

One of the reasons until recently might’ve been that Tilt was only possible with a maximum of one engine down

 

[Peter0124]

There used to be a time when Glasgow had a regular (1tp2h) service down the East Coast with XC, now its just 2tpd each way in the morning/evening

 

[Krokodil]

One of the reasons until recently might’ve been that Tilt was only possible with a maximum of one engine down

Only an issue with Avanti's (now former) fleet, surely.

 

[JamesT]

One of the reasons until recently might’ve been that Tilt was only possible with a maximum of one engine down

The tilt on XC Super Voyagers was disabled in 2008, if tilt was a constraint on finding a more economical way to run their engines then stopped being an issue a long time ago.

 

[NEDdrv]

I’ve ridden a few like that. Weirdly quiet in that vehicle but as they cross feed all HVAC and lighting works as normal from what I recall.

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I’m surprised that family of trains never had the eco-power treatment like the 185s. Say shutting an engine or two down in areas of less gradient.

Some Voyagers are fitted with IESS, with the rest to be done. Intelligent Engine Shutdown System will shut an engine down if timetable can be maintained. This is a replacement for the DAS system which is being removed.

 

[dk1]

Some Voyagers are fitted with IESS, with the rest to be done. Intelligent Engine Shutdown System will shut an engine down if timetable can be maintained. This is a replacement for the DAS system which is being removed.

That’s very positive news. DAS is only good for the clock

 

[357]

DAS is only good for the clock

Agreed!

 

[class 9]

Agreed!

And reasonably accurate mileage.

 

[dk1]

And reasonably accurate mileage.

Ah yes, that too!!

 

[Mag_seven]

I think we will draw this discussion to a close now as it looks as if XC are not changing this policy any time soon. If anyone hears of a change in the policy then please contact us and we will look to reopen the thread.

In the meantime if you would like to discuss how you would like to see the XC overcrowding situation improve then please use this thread:

Cross Country Voyager overcrowding: What can be done about it?

Moderator note: Split from https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/cross-country-voyagers-rear-set-locked-out-of-use.287454/ New trains have got to be ordered ASAP, and/or XC needs to be cut back to run double sets on all voyager services. The focus should be, in my opinion, the Northeast >...

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