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National Express East Anglia - a rant.

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NXEA!

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Ok, just thought I'd have a little rant. Basically I have started commuting to College from Sudbury to Colchester every day by train, and I need a Season Ticket with a Student Discount. Now to my dismay, I found out that the number for NXEA is only open till 6pm in the evening, which I think is diabolical. What if you need to make a specific query later in the evening, or you need to speak to Customer Service? Frankly I think this is unacceptable. Not only that, but I don't usually get home till past 6 apart from Thursday's so as of yet I have had no chance to ring up to book my ticket - until today. So today I rung up to try and sort out my Term Ticket as I'm using a daily ticket at the moment which in the long run will be more expensive. To my horror, the automated voice on the phone said that they no longer handle ticket sales via the telephone.

I'm sorry, what? That's completely ludicrous. People should be able to have access to a phone ticket booking service till at least 9 in the evening I think. Even in this day and age, there are still a select few without home access to the Internet, and if you're isolated it may make it difficult to get to a station to book/buy a ticket. It's not so much the phone problem, but its more to the point that the College have said that apart from ringing up, there's no other way to book a Season Ticket. I'm sorry, but how the hell do they expect me to be able to purchase the ticket if I can't do it at the ticket office at Colchester or do it online, and they don't handle Ticket Sales over the phone, which by the way, is only open till 6pm? It's making me spend extra money on tickets, and its money that could be used on something else.

Another thing is the quite long connection time in the morning at Marks Tey. The past few days it has been quite cold, and the waiting room is usually full, so I've been standing outside. The train from Sudbury arrives at 08.20, and the connection to Colchester is at 08.33 which is to Colchester Town. Thirteen minutes is a long time to wait outside in the cold. I realise that if it leaves earlier than its booked time of 07.38 it'll conflict with the Norwich train and hold it up. But I still don't see why it can't be booked to leave Liverpool Street at 07.32 in front of the Southend service - they both call at Stratford and Shenfield anyway, so not really much of a problem as far as I can see. That'll mean the train will arrive at Marks Tey at 08.27, which will reduce the longer connection time there - and the train doesn't connect with the Sudbury bound train anyway, that leaves before the one to Colchester arrives.

Another thing is this service from Liverpool Street is very crowded as its only a 4 car 321. Again, I don't see how difficult it is to platform the set so it can couple up to another one at Liverpool Street to make an 8 car formation - it is needed. Most of the people alight at Colchester anyway, so it can always drop the rear 4 which can return to the depot and then couple up to an 8 car formation to make sure it gets back to London for the evening rush hour. Correct me if anybody knows the pathing better, but I'm pretty sure its not beyond the wit of man to rectify this situation.

Also the train's are a state - the 315's and Mark 3's as well as the 317's and the Sprinter's were the only classes to get a refresh/refurbishment under One and none of them serve the smaller stations along the GEML (apart from the 317's which will do the Harwich turns and the 17.02 to Norwich, but my point still stands), and so this leaves the 321's and 360's to serve these stations. The 321's are absolutely appalling inside, especially the ex LM one's which haven't seen a refresh since new AFAIK. Seat cover's have been worn away, the floor is quite often sticky and dirty, and the material covering the panelling on the 321421-437 is filthy and ripped as well. They really need a decent refurbishment, and some of my friends who aren't railway educated have said that the trains are unacceptable. The 360's aren't as bad, and quite often they are clean and presentable, but some of the seat covers are still relatively dirty and ripped.

Also, apart from the 321's which have recently visited Doncaster and are in plain white, all trains look dirty in my eye, even the NX liveried 321's, and some are still in tatty FGE, as well as 321446 in One which looks shocking to be honest, and the 360's which are looking tatty in their Blue livery. Not only that, but some of the 321's don't sound particularly healthy either, I usually sit in the Motor Car (for the Traction Motor scream, why else? <D ), and I did the same with 321318 today, and the motor's didn't sound healthy at all and cut out a couple of times. In short, National Express since they've re-branded have done a truly awful job with the East Anglia franchise, and have invested next to nothing in the trains and most of the station's, and they are making it difficult to do minor things such as purchase Student tickets. I really hope we get a decent franchisee next time round - 8 years with National Express isn't pretty.
 
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I didn't read this. If you want to post something that people will read, I suggest, in my own opinion:

1. Paragraph
2. Don't put "a rant" on the end of the title (Congratulations to the witty mod if you did not do this yourself)
 

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I didn't read this. If you want to post something that people will read, I suggest, in my own opinion:

1. Paragraph
2. Don't put "a rant" on the end of the title (Congratulations to the witty mod if you did not do this yourself)

Agreed i lost myself after a couple of lines
 

spurs4life

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Welcome to world of commuting this is what thousands of people have to put up with day in and out, and do it for many years.
 

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As others, install a few paragraphs and I will be more than happy to give it a read otherwise:

tl:dr
 

NXEA!

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I didn't read this. If you want to post something that people will read, I suggest, in my own opinion:

1. Paragraph
2. Don't put "a rant" on the end of the title (Congratulations to the witty mod if you did not do this yourself)
Ok, I've paragraphed it now. As to the last reply, I realise that commuting isn't always pretty, I've experienced it before for two weeks with work experience into London, so you don't need to make a statement like that. My complaint is more to do with the fact about the telephone line and not being able to actually get hold of my ticket. But the 321's are appalling as well, and there needs to be some investment. I don't see the problem with posting what I really think anyway.
 

spurs4life

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Hang on you were moaning about the connection time. All im saying is do it for a few years not just two weeks.!!
 

NXEA!

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Hang on you were moaning about the connection time. All im saying is do it for a few years not just two weeks.!!
I know, and I realise that they're not going to change the timetable to suit my needs, I'm just surprised they didn't identify that it could have run earlier when they re-cast the timetable in December, although if they ran it earlier it wouldn't fit in with the clock-face pattern of xx.38. I will be doing this now for two years anyway, I was just saying I have done it before. By the way, I realise my last post probably came across as a bit rude, sorry about that. :|
 

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Thats fine you are quite right about the telephone line number being closed at six this is one place that the railway lets its self down.But there not the only ones, most people carn't get to things like Dentist or Doctors because they are not open long enough.
 

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With regards to the ticket, I assume Colchester or Ipswich will have a travel centre (like Cambridge) or plenty of staffed ticketing facilities at least. Can't you go to one of them after college on a thursday or at the weekend. I appreciate it may not be easy, but its only a one off trip.
 

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LOL at complaining at a 13 minute connection time :lol:

At the start of the paragraph when you said "Another thing is the quite long connection time in the morning at Marks Tey" I start expecting it to be a 40 odd minute wait or something, or a Colchester train leaves 2 minutes before the Sudbury train arrives and the next one isn't for 45 minutes

Pah, 13 minutes :lol:

And no, by the way, 13 minutes is not a long time to be stood outside, I do it, along with most likely thousands every day :roll:
 

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Yeah, I suppose you guys are right about the connection time. I feel like a right idiot now. :lol:
--- old post above --- --- new post below ---
With regards to the ticket, I assume Colchester or Ipswich will have a travel centre (like Cambridge) or plenty of staffed ticketing facilities at least. Can't you go to one of them after college on a thursday or at the weekend. I appreciate it may not be easy, but its only a one off trip.
I did ring up NXEA and ask if they would be able to issue Student Ticket's and they said they didn't, however I didn't speak to a ticket advisor, I spoke to a General Customer Service person so that may not be the case. I'll try anyhow, thanks NSE!
 

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To be honest, I have to say I'm quite satisfied with NXEA's service on the West Anglia route. The fares aren't too bad (especially at a weekend) and the trains are normally on time from my experience.
 

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The ticket office at Colchester Town (CET) is open:
Monday-Friday 06:10-20:15
Saturday 07:00-18:45
Sunday Closed

The ticket office at Colchester (COL) is open:
Monday-Friday 04:30-23:15
Saturday 04:30-22:30
Sunday 06:00-23:15

The ticket office at Marks Tey (MKT) is open:
Monday-Friday 05:35-22:10
Saturday 05:35-22:10
Sunday 08:20-19:30

All seems quite reasonable to me!
 

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I'd love to have my local ticket office open until those times! Quite how anyone can possibly complain at that I'd love to know..!

As for waiting outside for a measly 13 minutes.. are you being serious?! Wait till it snows and you have to stand around for more like an hour and 13 minutes waiting for a train that's already packed to the rafters to turn up, then come and moan it's cold.

Then there's student seasons.. if you do have any luck do please post it here, a friend of mine was asking about this the other day - not sure they actually exist though tbh.
 

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OK, the "Rant" title put me off a little, but at least you're reasonable! ;)

I must say I have had limited dealings with NXEA, but those that I have had have been, on the whole, good. I find their staff to be quite friendly and approachable - which is always a good start.

I appreciate that the GEML is a "no growth" franchise, meaning NXEA have had no financial incentive to invest heavily in, well, pretty much anything. I always travel up and down from London to Norwich in First, and have done so about a dozen times. I'm very disappointed they recently withdrew their 10am Breakfast Train, having enjoyed it in May or June sometime, but again I understand their reasoning. There were few other takers apart from myself in First on my last trip. Sadly even the MkIII carriages are tatty, even in First, and there's no WiFi. Their "First Class" lounge at Liverpool Street is a token gesture with almost no redeeming features; not even a power socket to charge my iPhone! However, when I've paid less than a tenner for a First Advance, which is mighty reasonable, I accept these limitations.

It's all very well saying you want Customer Services to be open until nine; but where would the business justification be? You'd be employing two people to essentially sit doing nothing for the last couple of hours of their shift, Googling themselves...I digress!

After all, NXEA are a business, not a charity.

And BTW, 13 minutes is a more than reasonable connection time! I usually aim to arrive about 15 minutes early for my train every single morning on my commute, which in itself takes nearly an hour. (it's free though muhaha)
 

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Alter,

I have to disagree with your agreement to what amounts to a partial telephone service. Most peeps not used to the regime and wanting to phone any TOC are quite likely to do so from home and 'out of hours'. TOCs should provide a 24/7 telephone service and the fact that they do not simply reflects their de facto monoploy over most of the routes/stations that they serve.

Rail is not a shop with obvious hours and I come back to require a default 24/7 staffed telephone service paid for by TOC's but staffed perhaps by NRE.

On a more agreeable note the MkIII sets run by NXEA now have WiFi. Free in first class not sure about the deal for others.

Of course there are is the odd EMU working to Norwich without the facility.

And yes 13 minutes will permit the connection say 99/100 to a mainline service unlikely to be 'held'.
 

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Another thing is this service from Liverpool Street is very crowded as its only a 4 car 321. Again, I don't see how difficult it is to platform the set so it can couple up to another one at Liverpool Street to make an 8 car formation - it is needed. Most of the people alight at Colchester anyway, so it can always drop the rear 4 which can return to the depot and then couple up to an 8 car formation to make sure it gets back to London for the evening rush hour. Correct me if anybody knows the pathing better, but I'm pretty sure its not beyond the wit of man to rectify this situation.

The unit working this service does split from another at Liverpool Street which goes onto the Southminster branch for the best part of the day. In an ideal world, both could run to Colchester Town, returning as the 0858 and strengthening the first train to arrive in London after 10am for passengers coming from East of Witham.
 

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'In an ideal world'

That would be pre Beeching then when costs and revenue were pretty much based on criteria from some other epoch?

(Perhaps sadly) we don't live there any more.
 

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Alter,

I have to disagree with your agreement to what amounts to a partial telephone service. Most peeps not used to the regime and wanting to phone any TOC are quite likely to do so from home and 'out of hours'. TOCs should provide a 24/7 telephone service and the fact that they do not simply reflects their de facto monoploy over most of the routes/stations that they serve.

I have specific industry experience in this field and I can assure you the number of people who attempt to make contact with a TOC by telephone after about 6pm is effectively nil.

It is not practical or workable.

Not providing a 24/7 service is actually the norm in most industries, including the transport and service industries.
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Rail is not a shop with obvious hours and I come back to require a default 24/7 staffed telephone service paid for by TOC's but staffed perhaps by NRE.

0845 7 48 49 50

Twenty four hour National Rail Enquiries. Already exists and has done for a while.
 

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Many organisations in many walks of life have general customer enquiry lines that are open for longer hours than more specialised departments. It's common to be told that you need to ring another number between 9 and 5 if you want to do something specific.

I am not sure if a student season ticket falls into such a category as I don;t much about this product. Can it only be organised by phone? I would have thought that it would be done at a station?

In any case, is there absolutely no opportunity for the OP to phone before 6?
 

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most companys phone lines are manned 8am-8pm, according to many letters and stuff. i've just looked through a pile of letters out of interest, and easily 95% are 8am-8pm
 

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most companys phone lines are manned 8am-8pm, according to many letters and stuff. i've just looked through a pile of letters out of interest, and easily 95% are 8am-8pm

Yes, I agree, but I've lost count of the numbe rof times I have ben told I need to phone a diferent number after ringing them. I don;t use the phone now because of it. You hold on for five minutes minimum just to be informed they can't help you with whatever it is your are phoning about.
 
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