ANorthernGuard
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OMG please make a funny announcement or something next time I'm on your train so I can come and shake your hand
I am sure I will think of something lol
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Company Uniforms and RMT Ties
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I am sure I will think of something lol
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Don't forget that the driver's driving the guard's train on the signalman's railway.
Sadly, us passengers never get to see the signallers
That's because we're hidden away in our own happy little world. We can't let everyone see how cosy it is, or they'll all want to be in . We do briefly rise to pay our respects to the elite (was that a serious post?!) at the front of the train, so you might see us if you're quick!
. We do briefly rise to pay our respects to the elite (was that a serious post?!) at the front of the train, so you might see us if you're quick!Hahah, I have seen ONE. Couple of weeks ago she had what looked like a tea towel over her shoulder and dashed out to the window to wave to the driver of my 175. Stockport, Crewe, Shrewsbury? Somewhere like that.
Oh, God that's off-topic.
Oh, God that's off-topic.
notadriver
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So's the nonsense about the elite
You don't see many with the traditional lever cloth (keeps the tops shiny!) over the shoulder nowadays.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkf4rSUU8aQ
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Sorry I thought it would go to where I left off. This is all in jest - watch from the 24 minute mark onwards.
.Back on topic.....!
In FGW, guards and drivers are permitted to wear a union badge or tie clip, however they are not allowed (quite rightly) to wear a union tie with their uniform.
The only exception is when they are travelling on union business (although why staff are paid to do union duties is beyond me).
In FGW, guards and drivers are permitted to wear a union badge or tie clip, however they are not allowed (quite rightly) to wear a union tie with their uniform.
The only exception is when they are travelling on union business (although why staff are paid to do union duties is beyond me).
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An example please as there could be many reasons, union duties could include meeting Managers of said company.
As an aside I have had on many occasion a member of public saying to me that it was a a nice change for someone to show they are proud of having their union on display. I even do it when our union is in dispute to show I don't hide away.
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At First Transpennine Express, the drivers union rep was suspended in 2007 for refusing to remove his Aslef tie, by the company's head of on-board services.
The company also admitted to using (DfT-funded) CCTV to monitor if an RMT union rep was wearing his, in the event, he wasn't.
The company also admitted to using (DfT-funded) CCTV to monitor if an RMT union rep was wearing his, in the event, he wasn't.
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I can think of lots of ties or bits of uniform I would rather wear instead of the one I am paid to wear.
I don't particularly like white shirts, so I think I should wear blue instead. I don't like the tie. I have some old rail and bus company ties I much prefer, so I think I will wear one of those instead. I do quite like the old railway tradition, sadly long gone, of staff all having hats. I want to wear a hat so I think I shall resurrect an old BR one and start wearing that.
I don't particularly like white shirts, so I think I should wear blue instead. I don't like the tie. I have some old rail and bus company ties I much prefer, so I think I will wear one of those instead. I do quite like the old railway tradition, sadly long gone, of staff all having hats. I want to wear a hat so I think I shall resurrect an old BR one and start wearing that.
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What rules aren't being followed if a company allows union ties to be worn?
Sadly, us passengers never get to see the signallers
I remember seeing one near Edge Hill many years ago. We were bowling along toward Lime Street on a dmu when the bobby dropped the peg 'on' in front of the train.
Followed by an emergency brake application and a colourful conversation between driver and signalman.
I learnt a few new words that day!
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Edge Hill box always amazed me, it's got the signal box equivalent of a patio door facing the line - many a time the bobby has been leaning out having a smoke / hurling advice / hurling abuse... "time d'ya call this????!!!" 
I'm not arguing there are no reasons for union duties. Some may be more valid (such as meeting managers), but why drivers and guards are paid for general rep duties is beyond me. Should be done outside company time IMO. They are paid to be guards and drivers, not to be sitting in a room scouring through rest day working lists for the slightest abnormality in order to cause a big stooshie at the next union meeting (I'm sure you know this happens).
You may be proud of your union, I just feel its wrong for guards and drivers when representing their TOC (I.e their paymaster) to decide to wear a union tie. You're paid by and work for the TOC, not the union.
I often determine dress codes and would never allow a tie to be different as they are so important to the first impression.
I would have no problem with a union (or any reasonable) pin badge with approval first.
Of course when unions are involved the thing that is key is to talk to them before the policy is implemented and explain the reasons.
I would have no problem with a union (or any reasonable) pin badge with approval first.
Of course when unions are involved the thing that is key is to talk to them before the policy is implemented and explain the reasons.
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As a fully paid up UK tax payer I am allowing the signalman to operate the signals on MY railway thank you.Don't forget that the driver's driving the guard's train on the signalman's railway
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As a fully paid up UK tax payer working on the UK railway network, that makes ME self employed
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Surely the DfT is really the real paymaster.... the TOC is just a temporary hired hand. Arriva, First et all may be gone in the coming years but the same staff will still be there.
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Uniforms, Managers, Directors, Companies and Colours change but the Front Line staff stay the same. Just the way it should be.
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I remember waiting at the back of an RRNE 158 to get off at a station stop, there was a delay as the guard was at the other end of the unit doing tickets. Before opening the doors, he went into the back cab and got his hat, explaing "the doors won't open if I haven't got my hat on. Well, that's what the boss keeps telling me"
Exactly...
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I'd like to see that return too. Last year I got off the train at Leamington Spa for the N gauge show, the chap at the ticket gates had a uniform with a cap!
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He's still there - or at least he was last week.
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