Peter Mugridge
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You wait until there is a pile up of people on the escalator in the rush hour because someone was distracted by the horrorgram...
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The Kings Cross hologram-a new form of torture
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joeykins82
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Does a passenger or a retail assistant snapping and smashing the hologram to pieces count as "an accident" for this purpose?
Andrew Nelson
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The one at Leeds is removed on a night apparently for that reason.
I did wonder what has happenned to it as I haven't seen it for a while.
Peter Mugridge
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A group of terrorists has taken it hostage; they are raking it in as passengers are paying them a fortune to keep it...
I must admit, I don't find it that bad - but then again I've usually got my headphones in so I can't hear it !
Just thought I would drop a quick note to explain that the Leeds VA was only loaned to Network Rail for a week to gauge the response from passengers.
It is in one piece and safely back with us.
Despite the annoyance most of you have with regard the continuous verbal message these have been a great success shown by the huge and sharp increase in elevator (lift) usage while the VA has been in position.
Unfortunately standard signage has continued to be ignored and all efforts to guide people to use the elevator (lift) have failed and so we do expect a number of these to be deployed where escalator incidents are seen regularly.
You comments regarding the volume and "lift" "elevator" debate are much appreciated and we will take these into account when designing further systems.
Further constructive comments are always welcome.
It is in one piece and safely back with us.
Despite the annoyance most of you have with regard the continuous verbal message these have been a great success shown by the huge and sharp increase in elevator (lift) usage while the VA has been in position.
Unfortunately standard signage has continued to be ignored and all efforts to guide people to use the elevator (lift) have failed and so we do expect a number of these to be deployed where escalator incidents are seen regularly.
You comments regarding the volume and "lift" "elevator" debate are much appreciated and we will take these into account when designing further systems.
Further constructive comments are always welcome.
Given the fact all signs around the station say 'Lifts', I'd suggest that the use of elevator is dropped.
I can't comment on Leeds, but I've not noticed any increase in usage of the lift at King's Cross by people with bags. All the times I've looked, the lift is still used by people with buggies or people in wheelchairs. And, thanks to the rather poor planning, there are often quite long queues for the lifts because they're so bloody small - and anyone that might consider using the lift will either go back to the escalator and try it anyway, or simply not go upstairs at all.
Of course, I've not been there often enough for what I've observed to be in any way considered scientific.
I also wonder if this is really much better than having an audio-only system near the escalators. Besides the initial 'wow factor', seeing a rather poorly edited video clip repeating itself over and over doesn't add that much. It doesn't even look that great, with a giant box for the projector and a rather washed out image on the display/board.
I can't comment on Leeds, but I've not noticed any increase in usage of the lift at King's Cross by people with bags. All the times I've looked, the lift is still used by people with buggies or people in wheelchairs. And, thanks to the rather poor planning, there are often quite long queues for the lifts because they're so bloody small - and anyone that might consider using the lift will either go back to the escalator and try it anyway, or simply not go upstairs at all.
Of course, I've not been there often enough for what I've observed to be in any way considered scientific.
I also wonder if this is really much better than having an audio-only system near the escalators. Besides the initial 'wow factor', seeing a rather poorly edited video clip repeating itself over and over doesn't add that much. It doesn't even look that great, with a giant box for the projector and a rather washed out image on the display/board.
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As it is the sound that is most irksome, may I suggest you have a flashing sign that says in large script:
'Carrying or dragging heavy luggage? Please use the lift(s)'.
You could even have that in several languages!.
As it is the sound that is most irksome, may I suggest you have a flashing sign that says in large script:
'Carrying or dragging heavy luggage? Please use the lift(s)'.
You could even have that in several languages!.
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Tetchytyke
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So you and Network Rail have already decided that you'll be installing more of these monstrosities, despite the constant noise pollution.
I fail to see the point in providing more "constructive feedback", as you've clearly made your mind up. Shame. You could achieve the same by putting bollards at the base of the escalator, like many airports and department stores have done, but there we go.
One last thing though: perhaps you need to re-record the actress delivering the message, as her hand gestures before speaking look just like she's making the w****r sign to the production staff off camera.
table38
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and indeed as some Railway Stations have done, such as the escalators to the Taxi rank at Paddington!
Wait.. you mean another Network Rail station?!
Hi,
Was anyone asking passengers in Leeds what they thought? Or was it just based on what actions they took?
I passed through Leeds several times whilst it was there but didn't see anyone asking about it.
Have there been two at Kings Cross or is it the same one being moved between the two escalators?
I noticed last night there wasn't the one nearest Platform 9 any more.
GatwickDepress
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The factory scene from "I, Robot" comes to mind...
If as a result of such a mishap, a passnger misses the only train on which their tickets is valid, would they be allowed to use a following service at no extra charge ?
Is the breakdown of a railway lift treated like the breakdown of a connecting train i.e. to be the railways fault and no charge to the passenger.
Or is it treated like the breakdown of a bus or taxi conveying one to the station, i.e, passengers fault for not allowing more time, large "fine" payable.
Does it make any difference whom owns or operates the lift ?
LUL lift preventing one from catching a long distance train, or perhaps a SWT lift preventing one from catching a FGW train.
91103eastcoast
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I would assume that an underground lift failure would be classed as an underground delay, allowing travel on a later service.
I would also assume that since it is the railway's lift, it's the railway's fault, so a later train should be allowed.
However, this thread shows sometimes that travelling on a later service through no fault of the passenger can cause problems.
I would also assume that since it is the railway's lift, it's the railway's fault, so a later train should be allowed.
However, this thread shows sometimes that travelling on a later service through no fault of the passenger can cause problems.
mainframe444
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However, both of them are plugged into a 3 pin socket at the foot of the stairs, when I was last there some enterprising soul had unplugged one of them to plug his phone in to charge it....!!!
MainFrame
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I bring more bad news for when you get off your Kings Cross departure at the other end...
...The one at Leeds has also returned
Not just one I'm afraid, she has been breeding in Leeds as well. She can be found at the escalators on 13B and 15A as well as in her usual spot between platforms 6 and 8
Not just one I'm afraid, she has been breeding in Leeds as well. She can be found at the escalators on 13B and 15A as well as in her usual spot between platforms 6 and 8
I have to say, it scared the living daylights out of me just now getting off a train at Leeds at 1:20am and to be faced with 2 of these!!!
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