Class 458/5

Juniper Driver · 10 Oct 2015

Am new era for me down the Reading road today.Saw not one 458/0.Down there Monday but whether I work one for the last time is probably a little possibility.

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ChampsRacing · 12 Oct 2015

They was replaced by a 455 Saturday and replaced by a 450 yesterday but 8017/8028 are both out in service today.

Dr_Intoxicated · 12 Oct 2015

Last week and today the 9:05 from Feltham, ex Reading was a 458/0 if that helps you track one down.

ChampsRacing · 12 Oct 2015

Just noted at Feltham 8016/8021 out on the 16:05 Reading along with 8017/8028 on the 16:50 Reading.

Siemens Staines · 12 Oct 2015

ChampsRacing said:
Just noted at Feltham 8016/8021 out on the 16:05 Reading

Is this because of the booked pair of 450 from Wimbledon now doing the 1737 circular instead of a pair of 458/5?

17:37 London Waterloo to London Waterloo due 19:02 Will be formed of 8 coaches instead of 10.
This is due to a train fault. Last Updated :12/10/2015 16:08

19:15 London Waterloo to London Waterloo due 20:41 Will be formed of 8 coaches instead of 10.
This is due to a train fault. Last Updated :12/10/2015 16:08

Juniper Driver · 12 Oct 2015

ChampsRacing said:
Just noted at Feltham 8016/8021 out on the 16:05 Reading along with 8017/8028 on the 16:50 Reading.

Yup saw a set at Reading it must have been the 1320 from Waterloo as I was on the 1250.Saw the other set when I got back to Waterloo.

TEW · 13 Oct 2015

Siemen Staines said:
Is this because of the booked pair of 450 from Wimbledon now doing the 1737 circular instead of a pair of 458/5?

There was an 8-450 out vice 8-455 on Suburban services again all day too, so wouldn't be a surprise if there was a shortage of 450s to cover the 1605 Waterloo-Reading.

Goldfish62 · 13 Oct 2015

TEW said:
There was an 8-450 out vice 8-455 on Suburban services again all day too, so wouldn't be a surprise if there was a shortage of 450s to cover the 1605 Waterloo-Reading.

There's a pair of 458/0s on the 0639 from Reading this morning. First time for ages. I've travelled on 458/0s in the last few days more than I have in the last few months!

Siemens Staines · 13 Oct 2015

Goldfish62 said:
There's a pair of 458/0s on the 0639 from Reading this morning.

I guess it makes sense to cover this diagram with 458/0 if there are insufficient 450 available. The 1605 yesterday was formed off an ECS from Wimbledon and that set finished overnight at Staines. The 0639 from Reading is formed off the 0523 starter from Staines and then the set ends up going ECS to Wimbledon after working the 0953 from Reading where I suppose it may or may not reappear for the 1605 again depending upon any changes in 450 availability?

swt_passenger · 13 Oct 2015

Not seen personally but it has been posted in the ukmodernemu yahoo group that a coach from 458006 has been seen heading away by road late last night.

WWTownEnth · 13 Oct 2015

458501 Out of service - fire damaged
458502 In service
458503 In service
458504 In service
458505 In service 21/04/15
458506 Doncaster 13/10/15
458508 Wimbledon testing 15/09/15
458509 In service 29/08/15
458510 In service 28/04/15
458511 In service 04/05/15
458812 Doncaster 19/08/15
458513 Doncaster 10/09/15
458514 Doncaster 30/09/15
458515 Wimbledon testing 30/09/15
458518 In service 20/07/15
458019 In service 14/09/15
458520 In service
458522 Doncaster 20/07/15
458523 Doncaster 05/08/15
458524 In service 26/05/15
458525 In service 09/06/15
458526 In service 29/08/15
458527 In service 20/07/15
458529 In service 28/09/15
458530 In service
458531 In service
458532 In service
458533 In service
458534 In service
458535 In service
458536 In service

In summary:

5 458s remaining (458007, 458016, 458017, 458021, 458028)
1 458/5 in repair
2 458/5s in testing
6 458/5s in conversion
22 458/5s in service

Peter Mugridge · 13 Oct 2015

swt_passenger said:
Not seen personally but it has been posted in the ukmodernemu yahoo group that a coach from 458006 has been seen heading away by road late last night.

I saw an inner carriage from a 458/0 being loaded this afternoon; tried a picture from a passing train but it was a bit blurred - can post it if anyone still wants to see it.

Juniper Driver · 14 Oct 2015

Had 511+531 last night,good as gold.

ChampsRacing · 14 Oct 2015

Has 532 + 534 Monday, all 4 toilets working, PA working, ASDO all fine, was suprised! Happily suprised. I have 459's all day tomorrow though, this will be fun.

HarleyDavidson · 15 Oct 2015

Still a pair of 458/0 running around, saw them last night at Ascot, otherwise it was an all 450 service.

TEW · 15 Oct 2015

Two pairs out again today.One all day, and one peak only.

Siemens Staines · 16 Oct 2015

Still hanging on in there, today

8028 + 8017 2C48 1509 Reading - Waterloo
8021 + 8016 2C89 1605 Waterloo - Reading

Juniper Driver · 16 Oct 2015

8006 has it been called up?

Bigfoot · 17 Oct 2015

Juniper Driver said:
8006 has it been called up?

Not just called. Gone...

Juniper Driver · 17 Oct 2015

Bigfoot said:
Not just called. Gone...

Thought I hadn't seen it.

ChampsRacing said:
Has 532 + 534 Monday, all 4 toilets working, PA working, ASDO all fine, was suprised! Happily suprised. I have 459's all day tomorrow though, this will be fun.

Guard also informed me of this with the last set I worked.

5920 · 19 Oct 2015

8017 next for bye bye

Siemens Staines · 20 Oct 2015

Took a look at the "two" 458/0 turns this morning;

0950 Waterloo - Reading & 1139 return cancelled (this merits a Good Service status for the line)
0953 Reading - Waterloo was 2*450

so not a lot doing

Defiance149 · 20 Oct 2015

Understand a single 458 car was moved from Doncaster to Brush, Loughborough at the start of October. Anyone know which one?

Goldfish62 · 21 Oct 2015

I see the 0724 from Reading is being reinstated from next week, seven weeks earlier than previously stated. Unsurprising considering the mayhem it's been causing.

Juniper Driver · 21 Oct 2015

Goldfish62 said:
I see the 0724 from Reading is being reinstated from next week, seven weeks earlier than previously stated. Unsurprising considering the mayhem it's been causing.

AFAIK it's one of our jobs.Just checked,it is,with a Staines guard.

When are the 458/5s going down there,service wise.? Seems like they are needed.

Sorry for off topic post last night.

Defiance149 · 21 Oct 2015

47830 delivered 458522 to Wimbledon last night.

swt_passenger · 21 Oct 2015

Goldfish62 said:
I see the 0724 from Reading is being reinstated from next week, seven weeks earlier than previously stated. Unsurprising considering the mayhem it's been causing.

I wonder if there'll be a knock on effect on other services, such as a couple of 12 car 450s somewhere reduced to 8 car? Nothing showing on journey check yet though.

--- old post above --- --- new post below ---

RAIB report into the fire on 458501:

The fire occurred because a joint between three power cables, located under the floor of the sixth carriage, had not been secured correctly when the carriage was reassembled after being rebuilt and refurbished in 2014. Electrical arcing had developed at the loose joint, and this damaged the ends of the cables and eventually led to the arcing which badly damaged the structure of the train. This in turn caused a fire that penetrated the floor.

The RAIB has made four recommendations. One, addressed to Wabtec Rail Ltd, covers the review and improvement of quality assurance arrangements at the factory where the refurbishment work was done. The second, addressed to Network Rail, relates to the need for changes to the rules relating to the conditions under which passengers are evacuated from trains after incidents. The third and fourth, addressed to South West Trains, concern the way in which the emergency lighting on the trains is configured to operate in the event of a loss of external power, and the need to review the risks associated with power cables and the joints between them. The investigation also identified four learning points for the railway industry, relating to the design of electrical junction boxes, the need for train crew to be fully aware of how on-train equipment works, the organisation of train conversion projects, and the importance of ensuring that records relating to train design are accurate and kept up-to-date.

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa...t_data/file/469621/R182015_151021_Windsor.pdf

Juniper Driver · 21 Oct 2015

Thanks for that SWT Passenger.Downloaded.More to it on reading the first few lines.

SWT_USER · 21 Oct 2015

Goldfish62 said:
I see the 0724 from Reading is being reinstated from next week, seven weeks earlier than previously stated. Unsurprising considering the mayhem it's been causing.

It would be good if they could re instate the 17:05 too as the 17:20 has been leaving people behind at Clapham, Richmond and Twickenham on the days I have used it. Full and standing at least as far as Staines.

swt_passenger · 21 Oct 2015

SWT_USER said:
It would be good if they could re instate the 17:05 too as the 17:20 has been leaving people behind at Clapham, Richmond and Twickenham on the days I have used it. Full and standing at least as far as Staines.

They can't yet. They explain it is only the morning train being reinstated on the journeycheck item.

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