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Southern DOO: ASLEF members vote 79.1% for revised deal
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Xenophon PCDGS
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Indeed so. That comment is typical of the types of phrases that are often incorporated in the now-famous RMT press releases.
I wonder if the RMT would consider publishing all their press releases in this dispute in a bound hardback volume, ready to hit the Christmas present market under the "comedy section"
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More than yours, I bet...
I'm not the one saying a legal judgement is wrong.
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15 years studying. Did you actually pass the exams?
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Absolutely zero chance in the UK...
Tetchytyke
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Because I think it is a dubious decision from a dubious judge who has a history of dubious decisions when it comes to industrial relations. Only recently Justice Supperstone also prevented a criminal prosecution of construction bosses who illegally blacklisted union members in the construction industry, even though they'd admitted it, because they'd paid compensation out.
I think his membership of a secret society that is as Establishment as they come is relevant to his decision making. Others are welcome to disagree.
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No, of course not, what a stupid idea.
No doubt that was said at some point about Smartphones, Tablets, MP3s and Sat Navs some years ago
Flamingo
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How many years have you spent studying the railway and what exams have you passed? it doesn't stop you expressing opinions (from a position of ignorance...)
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No doubt that was said at some point about Smartphones, Tablets, MP3s and Sat Navs some years ago
I'm sure it probably was. But in this case, the sentiment is accurate!
Xenophon PCDGS
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Would I be right in assuming that the ever-so-slightly left of centre phraseology used in your posting above possibly betrays you as the "ghost writer" of those wonderful RMT press releases that brings forth much laughter to cheer up the readers on a bad day?
When I was much younger, it was recognised that "triplicate" was the norm in the Civil Service and I see that you are upholding this revered tradition in your posting above. I suppose that you also believe in the old adage about buses not turning up...then three coming at once...
I'm sure it'll eventually come down to how affordable and easy to install this form of emerging technology ultimately proves to be in reality ,(doesn't appear to show much promise at the moment) as to weather we ever see it over here in our lifetime or not beyond the DLR/Underground environment
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There was a thread on driverless trains on the mainline a few months ago and was well discussed. An interesting development but given DBs current huge black hole on the balance sheet I can honestly see it getting shelved. They have higher priorities as in sorting their backlog of maintenance infrastructure and sorting out the increasing trend of delays.
Well NR have got a document online that shows it's going to take around 50 yrs to turn the whole country into just this ETCS level 2 thing.
Around 17% wiped off since this morning, still a healthy price and has been lower in the past though. But the investors will start asking some serious questions of what is going on at GTR.
Someone has indeed got their sums wrong, the industrial dispute has been handled horrifically as very well documented in this thread. The Transport Secretary has been very quiet recently pointing to yet another DaFT cock up with them relaxing targets and handing GTR a lifeline. The franchises that were handed over from FirstGroup relied heavily on overtime and decent morale for staff to come in on overtime to cover the basic service. So GTR destroy morale by threatening staff, illegally deduct additional wages from conductors for striking (the £258), ban them from doing overtime (that GTR need more than the guards) and then blame them for going sick despite it been pointed out by several members of staff that there are staff hanging around spare in mess rooms waiting to work trains. I think one informed poster on here kindly pointed out the sickness percentage was quite low at one large depot and it was fact there were many vacancies that was causing the issues, not sickness.
Then we get to drivers. They've taken ASLEF to court twice, costing money and that issue is far from resolved with another court date set before the end of this month.
The commuters have turned on them with a protest in Brighton later on today with whispers the BTP have been roped in to save face for GTR
It's as if GTR has an infection in it's leg. It doesn't want to get it treated and they've made it worse by swimming in a pile of sewage. Eventually begging for Dr. DfT to surgically remove it's leg and get rid of this franchise for them.
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Although perhaps exacerbated by the current market trends (stock market isn't looking too good right now) it would appear that investors haven't taken too kindly to the news that their profit margins are being hit by the current issues:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36527097
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36527097
Indeed. We'll still have semaphore signalling in 2050, the ROC plan is falling to bits with sub-ROCs now proposed to save money and NR are constantly under attack for it's budget overspends.
I'm not going to comment much more on this driverless topic, we've done that to death along with this DOO topic. I'm just really on here now to see what GTR have left to attack their workforce with.
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Tetchytyke
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Ow indeed, it was done to death in a previous thread and I'm not suggesting we open that can of worms again.
D1009
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We've been through that one a couple of times, post #2678 on page 179 explains it.
Xenophon PCDGS
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As they possibly would have said in "Star Trekking", when reaching warp factor 9....
"It's a franchise, Jim, but not as we know it"....
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I have the perfect solution for Southern: retain the Guards, thus fewer cancellations, an end to disputes, a second safety critical member of staff on board and ASLEF & RMT suddenly become your pals.
Behave.
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That confirms my theory in short formed trains, they are saving money via not leasing as many units.
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Im scratching my head about what the RMT has said when announcing these Scotrail strikes. RMT policy is no extension of DOO under any circumstances, we ask Scotrail to come to the negotiating table.
Huh?
Huh?
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ASLEF and RMT have a joint policy so this may well escalate very quickly if ScotRail don't back down. By 'negotiating table' I think RMT means keep everything the same until the end of the franchise. Negotiations over.
Which part of the BBC article confirms that theory?
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I'm confused by this as well. I thought Scottie already was 100% DOO/DCO?
DOO only exists, currently, in the Strathclyde area. Around Edinburgh and on the inter-city and inter-regional routes (and rural lines) its all driver/guard.
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