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I think it is minimal, possibly no more than a deep clean inside. Exterior was originally intended to not be touched, but believe they are now getting a plain all over livery in some neutral colour. The majority of the work is mechanical and body work.
There is no reason why these two Mk3 TPE rakes, in future, couldn't be operated by a 68 and Mk 3 DVT. On the proviso the requisite multiple working system and cabling is fitted, DRS has 82101 and 82126 at Loram/RVEL for refurb at present, so they could be used for push-pull one day. Maybe it's a long term strategy by DRS to get their hands on the Pretendolino after Porterbrook relinquish it!
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Because one of the reasons is to train drivers on Class 68s. It would be a pointless and costly exercise training them on something (DVTs) that they aren't going to use again. It would also extend the training period for the 68s for no benefit whatsoever.
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The path for the set heading to Laira has bee put up on RTT for tomorow. Faceache rumours say 68 hauled so I would presume 68 024 will do the honours. http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/O42889/2016/11/09/advanced
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I was under the impression brake carriges where due to lack of accessibility in the other cars?
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Coaches move today: http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/O42889/2016/11/09/advanced
gimmea50anyday
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I have asked that question myself and received no response from management
As far as I know (i.e. don't treat this as gospel) the buffet area will be used as a guard's office and possible refilling area for the trolley, not to provide actual buffet service. No brake vehicle is needed as the trains will be top and tailed with 68s.
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I gave you the answer above!
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Move cancelled
gimmea50anyday
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So I have to find the answer on an open forum rather than ask for an official response! Your explination has merit however it doesnt explain where cycle storage/guard accomodation/catering storage will go. Yes someone has also mentioned work on the RFM on this forum but none of this has been discussed internally through any official channel. I certainly wasnt aware the RFM's were included in the formations or what if any modifications were being done on them, yet DRS are refurbing the DVTs as we speak.
Naturally people are speculating and guessing. They have no choice as the truth isnt being told. Certainly not to those that have any interest or actually gives a damn!
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I suppose it's not beyond the realms of possibilities that the DRS DVTs will be included in the rakes, 'as is' and not able to propel the 68. The whole consist would still be t-a-t by 68s.
Purely speculation and I don't know what's behind it all... but are the Fife Circle or Anglia trains top & tail 68s that they need to replace some 68s to have enough for the TPE contract?
gimmea50anyday
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Thays a possibility. It jas been reported that the requirement for locos for TPE has gone up to 19. 13 mk5, 2x2mk3 plus 2 spare/maintenance etc
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Movement today was cancelled, the full set with the additional buffet currently sat in the low level sidings at Norwich.
Bletchleyite
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As in the two Mk3 sets will be retained even after the Mk5s are delivered? Interesting, I didn't realise that was the plan, I thought they were just a stopgap until the Mk5s arrived.
I assume they will go once the 80x arrive?
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Speaking to Leo Goodwin (TPE MD) the other day, the mk3s are to be used as and when needed and nothing more.
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They could be a very useful way of adding additional capacity for times of very high demand, special events, extra flows during engineering works etc.
I've long hoped that some old stock displaced from all the new orders we are seeing coming on stream would be retained to provide 'spare' capacity.
It's a long held criticism from the public and media that the railway "can't put on more carriages" during busy times, so it would be fantastic if leasing costs for older but still functional stock, like the mk3s, had fallen to the point where TPE felt it worthwhile to retain a couple of rakes for just this purpose.
Hopefully we'll see other operators do the same.
That said, none of it is 2020 compliant is it?
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Extremely unlikely. I believe the Mk5 stock will basically be fixed formation 5 car sets. More like an unpowered 'unit' than conventional LHCS that can be coupled up into random lengths.
With the Mk3 sets being a temporary solution for a limited period what would be the point?
Why would you mix Mk5 and Mk3 stock?
There's no precedent for mixing Mk4 and Mk3 ..... is there?
Bletchleyite
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Don't think so (other than HST power cars at the start before the DVTs arrived).
Mixed formations other than in odd cases like the Sleepers aren't really UK practice. In mainland Europe if DB or SBB bought a load of new UIC coaches you'd get one in each formation, while in the UK you'd tend to get formations solely of the new kit and everything else cascaded.
More to the point I can't see why you'd want to.
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Only during test runs have HST power cars worked with mark 4s. In service, it was the class 91s that were out of place, being at one end of an HST mark 3 rake.
My reason for asking was simply whether a MK5 rake could be strengthened with the addition of a MK3 carriage if needed. Cheers though!
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All well and good but now many norwich trains are missing a carriage.. oh well how many more years till new trains?
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3 sets are short formed at the moment confirmed by anglia twitter team
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Not because of this though.
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Well if there were spares available it would sure help. Assume u have no idea of the chaos we endure on a daily basis
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