I would of thought it would of just been a repaint, i dont think it would of been cost effective to rewire the cars too.
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Tyne & Wear Metro: Fleet Refurbishment List
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I would of thought it would of just been a repaint, i dont think it would of been cost effective to rewire the cars too.
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I'll admit that I've only had a brief look at the units, but they really don't look good in the livery and the colours seem not to be correct?
Going from the photos on sort out the metro page, the only differences i can see is there is no black paint on the frames of the hopper vent windows and the fleet numbers are in a different font. Think if the frames are painted black it would look smarter but its an improvment than 4001's livery which was looking worse for wear to be fair
Shame if nothing has changed regarding the interior, painted doors and new seat covers would be nice. I mean the grey strip on tye unrefurbished units looks horrid and fully grey doora look much smarter.
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Actually, they don't look as bad in those photographs although they appear very unusual! Have the door release buttons been changed? They look different.
It's definitely a much darker shade of grey than the refurbs, when I first saw 4002 after repaint it was coupled to 4060 and the difference was very clear.
Got to remember though the lighter shade of grey will be more faded on a unit that has been repainted about 2years ago than a freshly repainted unit.
Looks like the door buttons are the same too me, i assume if 4040 and 4083 get repainted, they will receive the black door buttons.
Saw both 4001/02 fot the first time today after they had left the paint shop. Both are the same as other refurbished cars livery-wise apart from the numbering which is in gold by the looks of it.
Both are still not interoperable with the refurbished cars so can only work with 4040/83 which were on 124 today.
Both are still not interoperable with the refurbished cars so can only work with 4040/83 which were on 124 today.
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Yeah, I noticed the gold numbering. Maybe it's meant to be like that so they stand out? Possibly with them being the 'originals' they wanted to acknowledge it?
I would've thought that they would have made them interoperable with the other refurbs. It would've made a lot more sense then, but that would require a lot more work and in saying that, they could decide to play nasty if they were coupled with some other units. I know a few of the refurbs can't be coupled together, and a certain car can't run B end first otherwise it triggers the track brakes at random signals.
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Does anyone know what's broke this time? Also, does anyone know when it'll be back on?
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4055 derailed in the depot this morning.
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4038/4057 failed, sat in Pelaw Sidings 45 minutes ago.
Not another one?! Whereabouts did that occur?
Was on train 101, Metro were reporting a gap in service of 15 mins South Hylton to Airport, but 101 only runs to South Gosforth at that time anyway, and 102 behind it was only delayed a few minutes.
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38/57 have just returned to the depot now, they were in the siding at Regent Centre.
The past few weeks haven't been great for Nexus; several trains failing each day by the looks of it? Are there shortages of stock at the minute? There was talk of them investing money into the train fleet in an effort to improve reliability.
The past few weeks haven't been great for Nexus; several trains failing each day by the looks of it? Are there shortages of stock at the minute? There was talk of them investing money into the train fleet in an effort to improve reliability.
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They left the depot as Train 127 this morning for St James but whilst I was heading to work they were returning to depot Not In Service at about 0745am
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4001 (or 4002?) is currently paired with a refurb set at Regent Centre running Not In Service into the sidings.
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Burst water main causing havoc today, absolute chaos south of the tyne this morning, took 2 trains before I could board.
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Has anyone seen car 4001 running around lately? i'm really interested in seeing its new paint job, if not does anyone have any pictures of it they can provide?
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Don't believe 4001/02 have been in service for quite a while.
I've noticed a few trains B end cab chairs have a plastic sheet placed on them, is there any specific reason for this?
Hasn't been in service since repaint, but it's been parked outside at the west end of Road 9 for a couple of weeks - you can seen it if you travel between South Gosforth and Regent Centre
Possibly to stop dust from forming seeing as those seats will hardly be used apart from any shunting and the very rare occasion in wervice.
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Ahh fair point!
Although the statistics say Metro is at its peak performance for a long while, I feel as if the service has got so much worse since DB left! Almost daily major delays this week. The power supply seems to be a major issue of late.
There is definitely a lot less media scrutiny now it is back in public hands
Although the statistics say Metro is at its peak performance for a long while, I feel as if the service has got so much worse since DB left! Almost daily major delays this week. The power supply seems to be a major issue of late.
There is definitely a lot less media scrutiny now it is back in public hands
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The lack of peak trains is getting beyond a joke. Nexus have decided that, so long as the normal service is running, then it is a "good service", because there's normally another train within a few minutes.
They're hoping nobody notices, but judging by Twitter people are noticing.
I've noticed it, because when a peak train gets cancelled I end up stuck in someone's armpit all the way from Northumberland Park and people are getting left behind by Benton/FLE. And, in the other direction, it's normally touch and go whether I can actually board a Coast train at Haymarket.
Given that there are already significantly fewer peak trains now- the last peak extra to Monkseaton is 1733 from Haymarket- it really isn't good enough. But yes, as you say, suddenly the Evening Chronic has stopped wailing about it.
Luckily I've not been particularly affected as I commute solely on the central section, and the Regent Centre starters/terminators are normally ok. Train 155 seems to be frequently cancelled (this is the 3rd last Monkseaton one of the peak, 1709 off Haymarket) as it's the last to leave the depot.
Talking of peak trains being cancelled, does a service suspension between Monkseaton and North Shields really justify cancelling ALL peak services this afternoon!?
It is concerning that once again, we seem to have an issue with fleet shortages! Really thought once the refurbishment programme was completed things would improve but its just going the other way unfortunately.
Regarding the service suspension, any further details on what happened because the suspension seemed to of lasted quite a good number of hours so I assume the train in question bought the OHL down or something?
It is concerning that once again, we seem to have an issue with fleet shortages! Really thought once the refurbishment programme was completed things would improve but its just going the other way unfortunately.
Regarding the service suspension, any further details on what happened because the suspension seemed to of lasted quite a good number of hours so I assume the train in question bought the OHL down or something?
Metros latest issues getting nearly zero coverage locally in the press.
Clearly, no fun in challenging Nexus for the same failures (unavoidable or not) tha DB were put through the wringer for regularly.
Despite the pr puff orchestrated by nexus at handover, nothing has changed but hey at least the Germans aren't running the failing infrastructure :roll:
Clearly, no fun in challenging Nexus for the same failures (unavoidable or not) tha DB were put through the wringer for regularly.
Despite the pr puff orchestrated by nexus at handover, nothing has changed but hey at least the Germans aren't running the failing infrastructure :roll:
Tetchytyke
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Yes, it frequently is, as that's the train I get home. That explains why, though, even if it doesn't make elbowing on to the 1712 any nicer.
I've seen a few occasions where it has run...and diverted to Regent Centre instead. Given the north half of the Coast loop is one of the busiest parts of the network, with the big car parks at FLE and Northumberland Park, that doesn't seem to make sense.
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