Unless there's an easement permitting that, I don't think it would be a valid route for northbound journeys.
You'd need to change at Perth, Dundee or Arbroath.
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Unless there's an easement permitting that, I don't think it would be a valid route for northbound journeys.
You'd need to change at Perth, Dundee or Arbroath.
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Depends on your definition of "small". The plan is for them to stop at Arbroath, Montrose and Stonehaven north of Dundee.
According to some drafts I’ve seen the main calling pattern will be Glasgow-Stirling-Perth-Dundee-Arbroath-Montrose-Aberdeen. Stonehaven gets a few calls during the day, while Dunblane, Gleneagles and Carnoustie get some peak calls. I’m unsure about the Inverness services yet.
Dunblane is already getting improved rolling stock, a faster journey time to Edinburgh (to the inconvenience of 2 far busier stations), and a regular semi-fast service to Glasgow (as opposed to the current irregular stoppers and Inverness services).
To a certain extent, Arbroath and Montrose serve the wider east Angus area.
It's like Leuchars having an excellent service because it serves St Andrews.
Stonehaven isn’t regularly getting called at as much as the others. However, all 3 are bigger than Dunblane, and Arbroath is about 3 times the size, what a ridiculous comparison. They also don’t have the benefit of as many local services that Dunblane gets. It will have links to Edinburgh, Glasgow and Dundee and people are still moaning.
Thank you for that . It will be what it will be I guess, just I was spun a a line we would be getting HST. I didnt press on the detail , perhaps i should have
Cant really make a judgement on our service till the full plan is implemented , which realistically takes us into 2019 one assumes .
Arbroath is big enough on it’s own to justify every train stopping there anyway. Montrose sort of has to be called at to interchange with the new stoppers between there and Aberdeen/Inverurie.
Dont forget how many people from surrounding towns use B of A and Dunblane as a rail head . I would hate to think that holding people to account for services promised is not considered "moaning" Passengers have been long suffering and have just and reasonable aspirations for better services when "delivering Scotlands best ever railway" . If a company dose not listen to its customers when they invite feedback , it cant be viewed as "moaning"
A lot of railway stations are used as railheads.
Dunblane currently gets 2 slow, horrible stoppers towards Edinburgh per hour. It gets irregular services here and there to Glasgow, Inverness, Dundee, Perth and Aberdeen.
Soon, it will have 2 semi-fast services to Edinburgh (at the expense of 2 busier stations, Linlithgow and Polmont (both bigger places, busier stations and bigger railheads). It will now have a regular semi-fast service between Glasgow and Dundee/Arbroath. I’d say Dunblane is getting a very good deal.
Speeding up the Aberdeen and Inverness services will always mean skipping out intermediate stops.
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Please would everyone do their best to ensure that this thread remains about the introduction of HSTs to ScotRail. Anyone who wants to discuss political considerations of branding is welcome to do so in a new thread.
Many thanks,
ainsworth74
Dont get me wrong, I am pleased that the intercity service will call at those places. But the post I was replying to said that it was only stopping at the cities and not at the small towns. Hence "depends on your definition of small".
The draft I have seen has every Glasgow train stopping at Stonehaven, I've not see an Edinburgh draft so cant comment, but I'd be surprised if its not going to get the same pattern. They seem to be aiming for a much more consistent stopping pattern than at present, which is to be welcomed.
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Indeed it is, the Aberdeen services in particular have a very variable calling pattern. It seems ScotRail are aiming for a return to Chris Green's taktfahrplan ideal.
Stonehaven was missed out on quite a few services on the Glasgow draft I saw. Still, it and Montrose are bigger places than Dunblane and have much less of a local service.
hexagon789
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Hopefully the Aberdeen cross-city services will help address this.
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In particular the peak services that Scotrail Alliance staff use to commute between Dunblane & Glasgow?
hexagon789
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Check you station platform stopping plates to see if HST Scotrail is there. They have been erected at Perth.
there's a set of plates at Croy.
hexagon789
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Might be just for out of course running.
They're being put in place in all stations between Edinburgh, Glasgow, Aberdeen, Inverness, regardless of whether they will call there or not. For example, stations along the Fife Circle already have them in place.
Is the hourly Edinburgh - Arbroath still happening in May? I think it's an extension of the hourly Dundee semi-fast but I'm not sure. It was on RTT last time I checked but I understand everything is pretty all over the place at the moment with regards to timetables as a result of the 385 delay. It also looks like they were cutting back the 1611 Glasgow - Arbroath to Dundee and running the 1711 Glasgow - Carnoustie to Arbroath instead which makes sense as it currently turns back at Arbroath to run ECS to Perth.
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It's bad enough when people use station codes without first explaining them; it's even worse when they're wrong. "ABR" doesn't exist, and "CAR" is Carlisle.
Is it really such a hardship to type full station names? If you plan to use the station several times in the post, put the code in brackets - e.g. "...Glasgow Queen Street (GLQ)..."
No its not happening. Bear in mind the original plan was for Edinburgh-Dundee semi-fasts to be extended hourly to Arbroath in May 2018, then for the Glasgow-Dundee semi-fasts to replace them at a later date (May 2019, I think), with the Edinburgh semi-fasts then terminating at Dundee. The express Glasgow-Aberdeen and Edinburgh-Aberdeen services would eventually serve Dundee-Arbroath-Montrose-Stonehaven-Aberdeen, but this was to be phased in over the next 12 months.
So when/where can we expect to see ScotRail HSTs entering service first? I've rather lost track of what's going on! 
hexagon789
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So when/where can we expect to see ScotRail HSTs entering service first? I've rather lost track of what's going on!
Supposed to be May this year on Edinburgh-Aberdeen, when it actually will happen is anyone's guess though!
Its highly unlikely anything like a full service will be introduced by then. Most likely a couple of sets, but on 170 timings.Supposed to be May this year on Edinburgh-Aberdeen, when it actually will happen is anyone's guess though!
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I am assuming the Inverness introduction will be delayed if Wabtec don't get things moving faster?
hexagon789
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I think the plan was for 170 timings at least until all routes had full HST coverage anyway.
Removed my mistaken codes for you.
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