DynamicSpirit
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Well that sounds easy enough. I'm sure someone here must have enough moths living in their wardrobe that they can donate to HMRC...
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The EU "Deal" - poll!
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Well that sounds easy enough. I'm sure someone here must have enough moths living in their wardrobe that they can donate to HMRC...
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trash80
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My wallet should be able to provide them.
EM2
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trash80
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May's deal or Martial law, hmm tricky
EM2
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There's no magic money tree but there's two billion quid to spend on this, in addition to the one billion quid spent on the DUP propping up the Government.
trash80
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I saw something on the side of a bus once
furnessvale
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x5 every year on the EU?
EM2
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For what we get for it, it's a bargain.
increasing the VAT threshold to give small business a boost. The threshold has been nibbled away by inflation over the years. Same for NI. making people earning £162/week pay direct taxes is just silly
Howardh
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They could spend the money on improving the decaying town centres, lower business rates there might help a touch.
not sure. The rents that get charged for high streets are astronomical. Even in small towns.
Thinking parking restrictions through. The high street has a new competitor - the internet. Paying £4 to park away from where you want to be looks bad compared to home delivery.
Not even the internet is coping with all the uncertainty - asos have issued a profit warning as people are spending less (a good thing in my opinion but less so for the people who's jobs rely on discretionary spending)
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Also Victoria Beckham appears to be struggling. I'd skip the tears on that one, except that anyone going under means job losses for "real" people.
Busaholic
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I check Wiki to see if so-and-so is still alive. Anything else is a lottery.
It's only the prospect that the country might wake up revealing all this leaving stupidity is a bad dream that has kept the economy from plummeting since June 2016. Now the extreme right-wingers in the Conservative party look like they could make the country walk away from the EU without any economic plans at all, their broken record response of "project fear" to every warning of the dangers ahead is beginning to look a bit stupid, - not that the speculators care. Soon, the unfortunate suckers who believed the right-wing lies will start to feel the pinch as they spend their time wondering why they are in the job centres.
In 2020, they'll find that immigration hasn't changed much either so who will they blame then.
In 2020, they'll find that immigration hasn't changed much either so who will they blame then.
trash80
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They will blame Remainers, the stab in the back myth will raise it's head again. We know how well that went last time in history.
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I personally want to leave with no deal. A clean break. May’s Deal is too toxic and we voted to leave, so WTO it is...
bramling
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EU immigration has already dropped since the referendum. That’s not to say that other immigration has dropped because it hasn’t, however a positive move in the right direction nonetheless.
I suspect though that if anyone’s to be blamed it may well be the politicians of all political colours. The MPs haven’t exactly displayed themselves at their finest throughout this process.
People dying through medication supplies being interrupted is "a clean break" now, is it?
That's why I said: "immigration hasn't changed much" as for those with an obsession about anybody not fitting their definition of a bona-fide citizen, the apparent volume won't noticeably decrease. Indeed, for those who go by physical appearance alone, a much larger proportion in new immigrants are likely to be of non-caucasian races, so they will be even more of an issue.
As immigration was the key issue for most Brexit voters (and still is, according to research polls), the fact that immigration numbers are not going to noticeably change ought to be big news. And yet, judging by this forum, they appear to burying their collective heads in the sand over the matter. Why is that?
Probably because many (most?) of the leavers really voted because they don't like foregners in 'their' country and are happy to offload the blame for everything on those 'foreigners'. Therefore the extreme right wing leavers are trying to keep the deception going by lies and half truths about immigration rather than justify their efforts to drag the country to the cliff edge of a slump*.
* For the ringleaders, a slump would be the best thing ever. Speculators (for that is what they are) love economic turmoil because when everbody else is struggling to manage, their cash can be moved around easily.
Cults are all the same, whether they are religious or political - only the top echelon know the real objectives of the group. The others are told half-truths and lies to get them to take actions that the leaders want. Certainly some people expect to profit from Brexit, but whether the backers are looking for short-term financial gain I'm not so sure. Not only Russia, but also China, could expect to gain from Brexit, especially with that madman Trump at the helm of the US.
I was wondering this too - was there a Railforums poll before the referendum? I've always thought that a proportion of leave voters were a) making a protest vote and/or b) making an anti-immigration vote (and blaming all immigration on the EU and/or taken in by Leavers saying that we will have all this spare cash as we won't have to make any contributions to the EU budget.
If we knew what our members' views were at the time of the referendum, we could see how much the pendulum has shifted over the last two and a half years.
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I don't believe there are many people in this country who know the first thing about the so-called World Trade Organisation. I didn't myself until about a fortnight ago, when I read a factual article about the organisation from when it was set up post World War 2 and what it has stood for and achieved ever since. It is quite clear that the WTO is on its knees and almost certainly on its way out, as the USA virtually controls it and is slowly strangling it for its own political purposes (or, should I say, for Donald J Trump's political purposes.) Believe nobody who blithely quotes WTO rules, least of all John Redwood or Liam Fox.
DynamicSpirit
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Yes. I started a poll before the referendum. As I recall, that poll remained open throughout the referendum campaign. In the end it showed 61% remain, 32% leave, 6% don't know, based on 373 votes. So it does look like railforums readers have probably shifted slightly towards remain.
(EDIT: Oh, wow, just flicking through the first pages of that thread. That was when I was still undecided about Brexit. How things change! )
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