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edwin_m
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Indeed. And the curves at Earlestown are tight enough to warrant a 10mph restriction - just think how far away they would be if it was laid out for a decent speed.
It's only really trams that can get away with a triangular station to modern standards (but there are none in the UK).
Ploughman
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No they don't
What?
You have never heard of the Rhubarb Triangle in West Yorkshire?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhubarb_Triangle
Look at the history para detailing the amount shipped out daily.
OK it is not nearby to Shipley.
When was this though? From 1965 or so, when the service was drastically rationalised, until well into the 70s, the Bradford-Skipton service was minimal (one each way at school times - Bradford-Leeds locals were non existent) and virtually all DMUs from and to Leeds called at Shipley as Ken H says. That continued IIRC after the PTE introduced the Keighley shuttles, until the new platform was built.
Shipley had 4 until the 70s! Crosshills and Kildwick, and Cononley, were block posts until the end - essential to the timetable once the line got busy again. (Cononley was a replacement wooden "hut" when I lived in the village, and the section to Skipton was long enough to delay trains and block the crossing).
some old signal box track layouts here
https://signalbox.org/diagrams.php
https://signalbox.org/diagrams.php
George Buckley
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I believe Shipley has one of the highest fare evasion rates in the country, due to the shape and geography of the site it would be impossible to have ticket barriers which would have to be manned.
eisenach
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Arthington was a triangular station.
61653 HTAFC
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Multiple exits certainly don't help either!
Explains why there is a high presence of staff around the place!
Bantamzen
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There will potentially be another in the coming years if the planned housing estate on the land to the east of the station goes ahead!!
post here that lists the current bell/buzzer codes.
https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/bell-upon-departing-station.178170/#post-3875769
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I'm well aware, having eaten in the Rhubarb Triangle pub on the outskirts of Wakefield. However, your original post suggesting the word triangles is a synonym for rhubarb is incorrect.
xotGD
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Let's not forget Winnersh Triangle, which isn't a triangular station.
So OK, maybe we should forget it!
So OK, maybe we should forget it!
edwin_m
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And the Rhubarb Curve is in Bristol IIRC, forming part of a triangle...
matacaster
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Isn't Shipley a BTP (British Transport Police) outpost?
Andrew Nelson
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Like Mirfield for instance?
yoyothehobo
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Do the Bradford - London Kings Cross trains run wrong line through 1 and 2 there in the Bradford direction as I am sure only 1 platform is long enough to fit the train on.
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Once upon a time, there was a line from Bradford Exchange to Shipley via Laisterdyke, Eccleshill, Idle and Thackley. So Bradford once had a sort of Crossrail, albeit a very indirect one, and one which would have required any through workings to reverse.
61653 HTAFC
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They don't. Before the recent extensions they stopped with the front and rear doors off P1 (those doors are staff only on 180s) and used SDO at P3. There's also no access to the P2 line from the Wakefield line.
The question was "Is there any published evidence to support this statement, eg deaths or serious injuries as a result of curved platforms?" You say there is plenty but I couldn't see any. It states the overall risk of death in a platform edge accident is remote-about the same risk as being hit by a bolt of lightning. Most incidents seem to be associated with intoxication/passenger behaviour and when no train is present. No evidence is given to suggest this was due to curved platforms.
The other factors contributing to increased risk include passengers with reduced mobility, passengers with small children, passengers with luggage, crowded platforms, wet/icy platforms etc.
I appreciate that it is desirable that stepping distances be minimised and that this is best achieved with straight platforms, but designers tasked with providing platforms on existing lines will in most cases have to work within fixed constraints which may include a curved track. So I still have difficulty seeing what ORR would be adding, other than delay and cost.
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The question refers to the Bradford FS - Shipley - Leeds - London KX service not the Bradford INT - HX - Brighouse etc service. The Interchange service runs on Wakefield track for part of it's route. There are no 'Wakefield line' track at Shipley Junction.
I realise with all this talk of DMUs that my post reveals my age! I'm talking mostly about pre-1965 when as a child and teenager i travelled on the steam-hauled trains between Leeds and Skipton heading towards Morecambe and Carlisle. I suppose that the problems of performing the complicated shunting manoeuvres described above meant that such a pattern didn't arise until the general use of DMUs on the line. Having said that I lived in Bingley for a few years in the late 60s and don't remember any Leeds trains stopping at Shipley.
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yes, the return journey from KX uses the Leeds or Ilkley bound platform 3 at Shipley on the 1833 rtn. The train from Skipton which is 0717 from Shipley I think only opens 1 door which is the buffet car carriage, and an orderly queue is formed to board! That train doesn’t stop on the return journey.
xotGD
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Correct regarding the single door opening at Shipley on the Skipton - KX, but it is further forward than the buffet that the door is opened. First class passengers have to pass by us plebs to reach their part of the train! Coach B (at the front) is locked out of use until arrival at Leeds.
My memories of the Shipley shunt only go back to 1970 (disadvantages of being a Kentishman!).
However, I have dug out a NER 1966 timetable (so post withdrawal of stopping trains and re-routing the Morecambes via Carnforth) - there were still LMR class 1 services into Forster Square so Shipley wasn't totally dependent on the Skipton line.
There were still quite a few Bradford-Skipton (and beyond) trains; most down but only some up Leeds-Skipton trains called at Shipley, so you could quite easily have missed out on the shunting.
There doesn't seem to be any particular pattern to which trains did or didn't call at Shipley (apart from the Carlisle expresses, obviously - they didn't stop at Bingley either.). The Morecambe service had been rationalised and the daily FS-Carlisle stopper had gone by 1970.
My recollections are probably later. prob 1974 or later. I think the creation of the West Yorkshire Passenger Transport Executive caused the simplification of timetables. so the pattern the was leeds- skipton and bradford FS-keighley, both hourly. I think. the morecambes were extensions of leeds-skiptons. the carlisle trains were not part of the pattern.
A triangular junction yes, triangular station no- the platforms were only at the south junction end (Leeds end).
Chris
At least 6 I think! 1 at each point of the triangle (Shipley Bradford, Shipley Leeds, Shipley Bingley (all with suffix 'Junction'), plus Guiseley Junction for the line to Ilkley, near that was the Great Northern's box for the Shipley Windhill / Thackley / Idle / Exchange 'crossrail' line referred to above, and Shipley Goods, (near Shipley Bradford Junction).
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