Should all buses using motorways have seat belts and no standees

scotraildriver · 27 Feb 2019

laststop@96 said:
But i know all this but is it safe or should there be a change in the law stagecoach e400mmc on x25 glasgow to cumbernauld have seat belts why?

Find out some facts about how many people are killed/injured on motorway buses and decide for yourself. I suspect the number is tiny.

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APT618S · 27 Feb 2019

I do not think there is a problem as under the current law Buses and Coaches are about 8 times safer than cars based on fatalities per billion passenger kms.
Data is for GB, 2006-2015.
Car is 1.6 vs 0.2 for buses and coaches.
Source:
https://www.statista.com/statistics...according-to-transport-in-the-united-kingdom/

Tetchytyke · 27 Feb 2019

laststop@96 said:
But i know all this but is it safe or should there be a change in the law

Are you trolling?

Drivers don't have seatbelts on PSVs.

You tell us if it's not safe. You're saying it's not safe. Show your working out

Deerfold · 27 Feb 2019

laststop@96 said:
all buses have driver seat belts at least for last 15 years

On buses built since 2001 bus drivers have had to wear seat belts, *except on buses designed for urban use with standing passengers*.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...at-belts-in-minibuses-coaches-and-other-buses

laststop@96 · 27 Feb 2019

So going by everyone,s comments its a no for seat belts for urban buses only asked a question.

Stan Drews · 27 Feb 2019

laststop@96 said:
So going by everyone,s comments its a no for seat belts for urban buses only asked a question.

Glad we managed to work that out fairly quickly!

Bletchleyite · 27 Feb 2019

Robertj21a said:
Plenty of full buses on the dual carriageways around London.

Very few of those have speed limits in excess of 40mph, though.

90019 · 28 Feb 2019

laststop@96 said:
all buses have driver seat belts at least for last 15 years

I drive lots of buses at work, with ages varying from 15 years to less than a year old.
The total number which have seatbelts for the driver is 0.

SteveHFC · 28 Feb 2019

I've certainly been a standing passenger on a full bus (not coach) on the M1 on Stagecoach Service 99 between Luton and Milton Keynes.

northken · 28 Feb 2019

Bristol's Metrobus is very much reliant on the M32. You'll easily find very busy buses, full of standing passengers, on the m1 and m3 routes, which carry all the UWE students. Plenty more local routes to Yate and Thornbury use the motorway. I've never heard of any safety issues.

carlberry · 28 Feb 2019

northken said:
Bristol's Metrobus is very much reliant on the M32. You'll easily find very busy buses, full of standing passengers, on the m1 and m3 routes, which carry all the UWE students. Plenty more local routes to Yate and Thornbury use the motorway. I've never heard of any safety issues.

A lot of the M32 is 40mph now and theres even been recent talk about regrading it as an A road as some of the proposed changes to it shouldnt be done on a motorway.

gordonthemoron · 28 Feb 2019

Whilst the 99 service between Milton Keynes and Luton Airport is generally operated by a coach (with seatbelts), there are a number of services which use a single decker bus with no seatbelts

richw · 28 Feb 2019

90019 said:
I drive lots of buses at work, with ages varying from 15 years to less than a year old.
The total number which have seatbelts for the driver is 0.

Our 66 and 18 plate MMCs are the only buses I’ve driven with a driver seatbelt.

LOL The Irony · 28 Feb 2019

richw said:
Our 66 and 18 plate MMCs are the only buses I’ve driven with a driver seatbelt.

I think that's optional. I've seen some with and some without. It depends on how stingy the operator who purchased it was.

PermitToTravel · 1 Mar 2019

First buses all have driver seat belts, after they started pretending to care about safety when a driver was killed by a defective bus in Uxbridge garage

richw · 1 Mar 2019

PermitToTravel said:
First buses all have driver seat belts,

No they don’t. See my above post!

InspectorBloke · 1 Mar 2019

PermitToTravel said:
First buses all have driver seat belts, after they started pretending to care about safety when a driver was killed by a defective bus in Uxbridge garage

Newer First buses have driver seatbelts, but certainly not all of them. It's not a legal requirement though, more a company policy AFAIK. But a driver must wear a seatbelt where it is fitted.

RJ · 1 Mar 2019

PermitToTravel said:
First buses all have driver seat belts, after they started pretending to care about safety when a driver was killed by a defective bus in Uxbridge garage

To be fair to them when I worked at Uxbridge, that tragic accident still haunted those who had been there for years and safety was very much a prevailing matter. Drivers reports of vehicular defects were never ignored and we were never made to feel chastised for ringing problems in. The vehicles were kept in a very healthy condition.

LOL The Irony · 1 Mar 2019

RJ said:
To be fair to them when I worked at Uxbridge, that tragic accident still haunted those who had been there for years and safety was very much a prevailing matter. Drivers reports of vehicular defects were never ignored and we were never made to feel chastised for ringing problems in. The vehicles were kept in a very healthy condition.

What happened, may I ask?

RJ · 3 Mar 2019

LOL The Irony said:
What happened, may I ask?

The gist of it is written here - https://www.hrreview.co.uk/hr-news/...ned-400000-after-man-is-crushed-to-death/5350

Eyersey468 · 3 Mar 2019

laststop@96 said:
all buses have driver seat belts at least for last 15 years

None of our buses have seatbelts for the driver and a high proportion of them are under 15 years old.

ACBest · 4 Mar 2019

Eyersey468 said:
None of our buses have seatbelts for the driver and a high proportion of them are under 15 years old.

Crikey, that’s a bit young to be behind the wheel! (Taxi for me!)

83G/84D · 4 Mar 2019

carlberry said:
There is no general legal need to have seat belts, it only applies from a certain date and for certain vehicle types. If the seat belts are fitted there is a legal need to use them, and to remind passengers to do this.

This was done when I travelled on a rail replacement coach last week between Exeter and Taunton.

Eyersey468 · 4 Mar 2019

ACBest said:
Crikey, that’s a bit young to be behind the wheel! (Taxi for me!)

Lol. I was one of the youngest drivers there when I started. I was a few years older than 15 though

bussnapperwm · 5 Mar 2019

Buses with seatbelts and no standing...

That'd certainly be fun on the PB X3/4/5 out of Birmingham at rush hour!

PeterC · 5 Mar 2019

Once seat belts are fitted does that mean no standing if the bus then runs on a non-motorway route?

carlberry · 5 Mar 2019

PeterC said:
Once seat belts are fitted does that mean no standing if the bus then runs on a non-motorway route?

I believe the vehicle then has to be re-certified and whatever carrying capacity it ends up with after that will apply and the notices updated accordingly.

deltic · 5 Mar 2019

overthewater said:
No there do not, I have yet to be on a bus while standing on a Motorway doing more that 40mph.

I've stood on the bus that goes from Glasgow airport to the city centre on the motorway at well over 40mph

Mr Greedy · 25 Mar 2019

There's a few routes in Leeds, that still use the M621 while only a 50mph road most peak services have standees.

(IIRC 51/5/PR2(Elland Road P+R)/R2(Elland Road Football Special)

6Gman · 25 Mar 2019

laststop@96 said:
The government go on about air quality what about people sitting with no seat belt and people standing in a bus doing 50MPH+ on motorways and dual carriageways.

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