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EU Referendum: The result and aftermath...

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Ianno87

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And that's assuming that they are in the UK...

Relates to the first 3 million, but near enough...


It sounds like the petition count is a particularly dodgy statistic.

"Thousands" (i.e. 2,000) out of 3 million. Drop in ocean.

Nonetheless, a proven corrupt 2016 Referendum is, apparently, absolutely fine?
 
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And now the woman who started the petition is complaining of death threats, abuse on Facebook and the hacking of her Facebook account. I don't condone any of this.

But it does become more interesting when you learn that the same woman openly discussed murdering Theresa May on Facebook, then shared several links to websites where you could buy weapons that "could be adapted with "modifications" for use in "shooting people in the face" in the House of Commons."

You really cannot make this stuff up.

I do not condone death threats either but it is said that what goes around, comes back around.
 

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"Thousands" (i.e. 2,000) out of 3 million. Drop in ocean.

The article was rather ambiguous, but even in the snippet I posted here it was implying hundreds of thousands up to maybe in the millions.
 

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Meanwhile, the Police have their work cut out dealing with pro-Brexit go-slows. Perhaps they won't have notice of the next one; it has been said that they are breaking promises and trying to seize vehicles.
 

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And that's assuming that they are in the UK...

Relates to the first 3 million, but near enough...


It sounds like the petition count is a particularly dodgy statistic.

So parading around the UK with a big red bus with untruths plastered all over it isn't dodgy? The £350m a week we send to the EU has been spent about 10 times over in the various schemes that May and her Government have promised post Brexit.
 

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And that's assuming that they are in the UK...

Relates to the first 3 million, but near enough...


It sounds like the petition count is a particularly dodgy statistic.
You're quoting the Daily Express like it's a legitimate source of information...
 

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Well maybe, or maybe a few thousand people acting as pseudo bots with burner phones to verify their new email addresses and a couple of hundred email accounts each (takes less than a minute per account), 100 per day would be under two hours' work per day. Say 2,000 of them over 3 days at 100/day (low estimates), that's an easy 600,000 - 5 days to a million. It's actually quite easily done.

I presume the spoiled liberal brats in London who expect us to think critically about everything why not have a bit of faith for once?

Time for a mug of liberal tears... here is a picture of one:
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Have you not got anything better to do apart from coming up with ridiculous conspiracy theories and making snide comments about people who don't happen to share your political opinions?
 

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Have you not got anything better to do apart from coming up with ridiculous conspiracy theories and making snide comments about people who don't happen to share your political opinions?
It sounds to me like a person fearful of the truth about how much support leaving has really got. That would also account for the continual chorus of a new referendum being 'undemocratic'. The truth will come out one day. Let's hope it's before the UK becomes 'Little Britain', and it's economy is destroyed by so many of the export producing jobs moving to better markets.
 

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It sounds to me like a person fearful of the truth about how much support leaving has really got. That would also account for the continual chorus of a new referendum being 'undemocratic'. The truth will come out one day. Let's hope it's before the UK becomes 'Little Britain', and it's economy is destroyed by so many of the export producing jobs moving to better markets.

My thoughts exactly.
 

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Have you not got anything better to do apart from coming up with ridiculous conspiracy theories and making snide comments about people who don't happen to share your political opinions?
I think it's probably a secret account of Theresa's. When she can't get enough humiliation from her MPs, EU leaders, her cabinet, the civil service, the lords, and pretty much everybody she ever meets in person she comes onto rail forums to get a bit more. It's really just a shame the whole country's going to dragged under by her insatiable masochism
 

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I have to say as someone who went into the referendum debate with splinters in my behind from sitting on the fence, some leavers are making some seriously good arguments for scrapping Brexit altogether. Name calling, rhetoric, and even threats of violence. Very mature.
 

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No — the majority of the people of this country *who voted in the referendum wanted* to leave the EU.

If you don't vote then you have NO say in what happens !

It's no good the non voters moaning ..... you could argue it's their fault in the first place

You could also argue that we should have left years ago, as we never voted to join...what we did vote for was joining the Common Market, which is a different beast, we side-slipped into the EU !
 

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If you don't vote then you have NO say in what happens !

So if you had your 18th birthday on July 1st 2016, you should just shut up and understand the elders have spoken?

Or if you've been happily living in the costas for the last 15 years then tough it up?

Or if you've been a EU citizen working here for several years paying all your taxes, again not for you to comment on?
 

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So if you had your 18th birthday on July 1st 2016, you should just shut up and understand the elders have spoken?

Yes. I missed the 1992 general election by three weeks, but didn't spend the next 5 years moaning about it. There will always be people too young at a particular ballot. What's the difference?

Although it seems to me the people moaning aren't actually the under-18s, but over-18s moaning on their behalf, which is ironic in all sorts of ways.
 

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And that's assuming that they are in the UK...

Relates to the first 3 million, but near enough...


It sounds like the petition count is a particularly dodgy statistic.

I know it must be hard for leave voters to grasp this point but some people are educationally and pholospically able to work abroad. I know that is hard to grasp but some people arent terrified of the forigns and chose to work amongst them.

The rest of your posts in this topic are simply fevered conspiracy nonsense. Pass me the tin foil hat.
 

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I see the spoilt children are out in force today stamping their feet but because something went the way they didn't like.

Despite the overwhelming media pressure of the campaign to remain the majority of the vote was to leave. The lies of either campaign is an anti-democratic red herring - politicians are always selling you lies. The vote to leave in face of the tremendous pressure of media, politicians and so called 'celebrities' is one of the only true democratic votes to have ever been won in this country and yet the loud mouthed minority want to overturn it.

That doesnt sound like the march I went on. Have you got a bit confused?
 

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I know it must be hard for leave voters to grasp this point but some people are educationally and pholospically able to work abroad. I know that is hard to grasp but some people arent terrified of the forigns and chose to work amongst them.

Not terrifited, rightly annoyed that they come in and do jobs that either should not be done or accept poor conditions and drive wages down.
 

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You could also argue that we should have left years ago, as we never voted to join...what we did vote for was joining the Common Market, which is a different beast, we side-slipped into the EU !

Paying taxes maybe, but driving down wages for everyone else.
 

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Not terrifited, rightly annoyed that they come in and do jobs that either should not be done or accept poor conditions and drive wages down.

Sigh. And Brexit is going to fix that? All you will do is swap European migration for migration from the subcontinent and africa.

Ps I was talking about British people moving abroad for work. Something I suspect few kippers are equipped to do!
 

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Yes. I missed the 1992 general election by three weeks, but didn't spend the next 5 years moaning about it. There will always be people too young at a particular ballot. What's the difference?

Of course you knew that there would be another ballot on the same issue in five years. For those that missed out in 2016 there may not be another ballot on this issue for decades if ever.
 

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Sigh. And Brexit is going to fix that? All you will do is swap European migration for migration from the subcontinent and africa.

And what is different about migration within the EU compared with migration from outside the EU?
 

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And what is different about migration within the EU compared with migration from outside the EU?

Generally nowt. However the kippers and the gammon have even more problems with people from those areas than they do with eastern europeans!
 

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Sigh. And Brexit is going to fix that? All you will do is swap European migration for migration from the subcontinent and africa.

Ps I was talking about British people moving abroad for work. Something I suspect few kippers are equipped to do!

Well I could if I wanted to, except that I would have to go to the trouble of learning another human language (rather than a computer one... computer languages are much more useful). Except that I can afford to hold out for part-time-hours or bust (*)... and it has inevitably been bust.

* unless it's something that would keep my interest for 40+ hours per week. Otherwise I might as well be doing amateur coding.
 

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And what is different about migration within the EU compared with migration from outside the EU?

For starters, vetting is easier - especially for 'minor' offences that could escalate once in the UK. At least if they are in another country they are well away. It is a bonus is if their retained social mechanisms in their home country prevent them from re-offending at any level.

Edit: It also prevents them from being an embarassment to their own country.
 

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Well I could if I wanted to, except that I would have to go to the trouble of learning another human language (rather than a computer one... computer languages are much more useful). Except that I can afford to hold out for part-time-hours or bust (*)... and it has inevitably been bust.

* unless it's something that would keep my interest for 40+ hours per week. Otherwise I might as well be doing amateur coding.

I have no idea what you are on about. I am not sure you do either!
 

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Generally nowt. However the kippers and the gammon have even more problems with people from those areas than they do with eastern europeans!

Nice racism deflection from the answer: non-EU immigration can be controlled.
 

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Yes. I missed the 1992 general election by three weeks, but didn't spend the next 5 years moaning about it. There will always be people too young at a particular ballot. What's the difference?

1) This isn't a regular vote that can be reversed after a few years if it's not working out. You got to vote 5 years later, when will today's 20 year olds who just missed out get their chance to say how they feel about the shambles we're now in?
2) Younger people are far more negatively affected by this choice than the predominately older generations who voted for it.
3) When you vote in a general election, normally the opposition actually bother holding the government to account and even though the party you voted for may not have won overall, your voice can still be heard in parliament.
4) This is a significant change to the way the country operates, far bigger than the normal changes a general election would cause, especially when there's clearly no mandate for the agreement that May has negotiated.
5) Finally, there have been no attempts to build a consensus to mitigate any of the people who were unable to vote's concerns about the future. In fact, things have turned out far worse than the leave groups were proposing during the referendum campaign.
 
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