DarloRich
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So can EU migration! Regardless, after Brexit we will be importing just as many people as before.
Btw that isnt the answer to the question you asked!
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So can EU migration! Regardless, after Brexit we will be importing just as many people as before.
Btw that isnt the answer to the question you asked!
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Again, you can use the same arguments for any ballot.
In 1992 I was unable to vote in an election where the prime minister and government who'd recently signed the Maastricht Treaty which created the European Union stood for re-election. Shortly after they'd cause chaos with their flirting with the European Exchange Rate Mechanism and the ECU (European Currency Unit, which eventually was named the Euro).
I didn't get a chance to effectively vote against the pro-European status quo for 24 years.
My future was stolen from me!
In 1992 I was unable to vote in an election where the prime minister and government who'd recently signed the Maastricht Treaty which created the European Union stood for re-election. Shortly after they'd cause chaos with their flirting with the European Exchange Rate Mechanism and the ECU (European Currency Unit, which eventually was named the Euro).
I didn't get a chance to effectively vote against the pro-European status quo for 24 years.
My future was stolen from me!
Exactly... and if you look at Mrs Thatcher's early political career - well, maybe her pre-career - you will see why you should not slag opponents off as a group. She came up via a club named after a word that was used as an insult to Tories, but that was adopted as a term of endearment.
NoMorePacers
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That's rich coming from you considering half your recent posts on this thread are just a bunch of wack job conspiracy theorist tosh.
Erm...
I presume the spoiled liberal brats in London who expect us to think critically about everything why not have a bit of faith for once?
Time for a mug of liberal tears... here is a picture of one:
The BBC have put up an article in the technology section quoting three tech experts who say the email verification system on petitions.uk is likely to be effective in keeping out "Bots".
If the petition gets to 5 million, it will be an unprecedented expression of a major chunk of public opinion - and again, I note the apparent absence of anything to rival these numbers from the "no deal" camp.
If the petition gets to 5 million, it will be an unprecedented expression of a major chunk of public opinion - and again, I note the apparent absence of anything to rival these numbers from the "no deal" camp.
It's not far off that number either, 4.6 million last time I checked.
Semantics.
The referendum was one thing and the bill to invoke leaving the EU under article 50 was passed by 80% of parliament.
Never said it was absolute but was clarifying the fact that the referendum of leaving the EU was indeed law.
Sorry if I wasn't exact enough for you but I hope thos further post now clarifies what I meant- which I'm sure you knew but you were just trying to be difficult
DynamicSpirit
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Those bots get everywhere don't they. I took this photo today of some of the bots walking along Park Lane...
It's a entirely accurate and interesting article. New Statesman is fairly remain-leaning though.
edwin_m
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But the people who voted to Leave in 2016 voted for what was promised by the Leave campaign, which is very different from what now seems likely - we don't know even now. So don't they deserve a right to express a view on what is actually proposed?
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NoMorePacers
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From what I have heard on Twitter, the three rumoured candidates for leader are either David Lidlington, Michael Gove or Jeremy Hunt. Make of that what you will.
That article doesn't address the issue that was in question here, which wasn't whether EU immigration is a burden or not on the benefits system. Nobody had mentioned benefits.
The question was whether migration from the EU to work in poorly paid jobs with poor conditions for questionable businesses was desirable, and whether it artificially supresses wages.
The unenforced 3 month condition is largely irrelevant to that. By that time people are in employment, be it "legitimate", low wage or black economy.
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A technical railway-related point: according to a decree published on February the 13th, the Intergovernmental Commission shall cease to be the competent safety authority on the French part of the Fixed Link (probably better known, including in this forum, as the Channel Tunnel) after the UK’s withdrawal from the EU. The IGC’s safety duties will be carried out by the French EPSF (roughly equivalent to the ORR for safety supervision) for the French part of the tunnel.
Given that they are in a pro-remain area (by 2016 results) it doesn't count for that much anyway.
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If May does stand down then that makes her the shortest reigned PM since...not the foggiest but I caught it on the news and it was many moons ago. Someone will know. Never mind, we have the problem of who will take over and what they can do. Even if it's the most venomous hard-liner, they still have to get something through parliament, and that means if parliament "takes over" this week it's gonna be impossible to get no-deal through even if it's currently the legal option. But at least they can bank on the DUP, can't they?
None of the footage and snapshots of these anti-brexit or pro "people's vote" demonstrations ever seem to include much evidence for these 16 year olds who've had their futures stolen.
They're invariably predominantly middle-aged and some of the least diverse looking crowds you'll ever see in London.
They're invariably predominantly middle-aged and some of the least diverse looking crowds you'll ever see in London.
Not bothered checking, but she's probably up there for shortest time between general elections if you discount Harold Wilson.
It is about time we had a national ballot again, it's been over a year since the last.
Although I know you're a fierce remainer and I disagree with you on that, I completely agree with you that it's a total farce!
Once the Article 50 notice extension period times out, that is it. Legally, the default-out option . As the conversation seemed to have moved on, the kicked out for not holding European Parliament Elections solution is still viable - to use the comparision of a county, such as Somerset, and the General Election - unlike Somerset, the UK has its own army (although its presence would deter the EU from doing anything other than kick us out, it would have no need to get involved).
If you think that Britain is divided now, a second referendum (or an election) will make things worse. The remain campaign are relying on demographic change; they forget that we the Brexiteers have the best memes.
There are high odds of getting Boris from a leadership contest. Very high odds. Be careful what you wish for; Jeremy Corbyn has had his vote of confidence until the next Queen's speech so that isn't happening for a while either.
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Sorry bud, but I don't understand a word of that??
Firstly, the extension to the Article 50 notice extension means that it still times out, just at least two weeks in the future or longer. If nothing further is done, Britain will still leave the EU without a deal by default. This has been authorised by the EU withdrawal act. The designated leaving date runs in parallel.
Secondly, if we are still somehow part of the EU on the 23rd May then we the UK would be in trouble for failure to have European Parliament elections. There would be a sanction, possibly expulsion.
I have heard it compared to a Local Council failing to hold a General Election; the difference is that for a Local Council the UK-wide authorities could lawfully take over. The EU would have to pass a sanction instead, and expelling the UK from the EU would be a reasonable punishment. That's about as clear as it can get.
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Not necessarily. I can only speak for myself, but I took no notice of either campaign, having already decided long ago that I wasn't happy for this country to remain in the EU. I simply ticked the box next to where it said leave. I didn't specify how I wanted the government to achieve it.
It's their job to get it right, and if they don't, history will judge them. If you consider how far down the river of political obscurity Cleggy has floated due to the tuition fees betrayal, I'd guess the conservatives might get fewer votes than Lord Bucket Head at the next GE.
I've been wondering about this for a few days, and I'm trying to imagine how anyone would want to take over from May at the moment. I'd even thought she'd been 'put up' to being prime minister as a kind of scapegoat, on the basis that the rest of them were too spineless to volunteer, due to the incoming
Very much this.
When I was young I took GCSE history and we learned about things such as the Holocaust and the D-Day landings. My only school trip abroad was to stay in Asnelles, I walked the beaches at night among the remaining caissons and it will stay with me forever.
In years to come this whole situation will be part of the curriculum as well.
Giugiaro
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So what are the bloody gates for!? So I have to go through them thrice every time I travel to the UK for nothing!?
This is still a thing?
You are aware of the dozens of coaches that travelled from every corner of Great Britain with folk for the march? The train loads from the west country and the north west? The families from every shire in the land?
This wasn't a gathering of Hampsteadians, the Notting Hill set, and Hoxton hipsters. It was a rally of folk from all walks of life, all social strata, all political hues.
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