hexagon789
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I've only recently saw a 380 on the Neilston branch. 4-car set and the first time I've seen anything but a 314 operate a Neilston working.
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Scotrail Class 385 Discussion
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I've only recently saw a 380 on the Neilston branch. 4-car set and the first time I've seen anything but a 314 operate a Neilston working.
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snookertam
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Until December 2018 there was a class 318 or a 320 diagram that covered Neilston services nearly all day. In December that changed to a class 380/1 diagram, along with the other two daytime (between peak) Neilston diagrams. Two diagrams go onto other routes during the evening peak (the other works the 1725 Neilston and back), leaving class 314s to pick up the other Neilston workings. It is these that I'd expect will become class 318/320s at timetable change as a 6 car class 380/385 wont fit in Neilston turnback - although it was recently attempted I believe causing the suspension of the Neilston service for about 90 minutes whilst they recovered it...
Also re: 6 car class 385s on the circle, theres ASDO required at certain stations but not all - I believe Mount Florida is long enough to take the whole train. I believe that the plan is for some peak services to be formed in this way.
Also re: 6 car class 385s on the circle, theres ASDO required at certain stations but not all - I believe Mount Florida is long enough to take the whole train. I believe that the plan is for some peak services to be formed in this way.
380s are the order on the Neilston branch now
Southsider
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Been on 303, 311, 314, 318, 320, 334 and 380 on the route over the years. I expect we’ll see 385 at some point and work done to allow 6x23m to turn at Neilston.
Typhoon_93
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385119/T32 noted outside the factory test sheds this morning with the delivery panel fitted so expect this will be the next to move north.
Can you confirm that only one unit was delivered last week? They've sent two together at least once.
BTW, I assume that all allocations will be temporary until the lengthened platforms at QS come into use. Then the 385-1s will be largely restricted to E-G, the 385s south of the river will concentrate on the Shotts route with any surplus on Cathcart and Neilston, and the 380s returning to the routes for which they were bought. This will render the remaining 314s surplus.
hexagon789
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I knew they'd started on the branch, but last week was the first I saw one in the flesh on a Neilston.
hexagon789
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I may have been on a 303 immediately before they were withdrawn. The 311s were withdrawn before I was born I think, otherwise I've had all the other classes.
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Southsider
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I thought there was a commitment to keeping four car on Neilston (except for the six cars in the peaks) meaning either the 380s stay or 385s not needed on Glasgow to Edinburgh are used. My view is that they should have kept some 321s as four car for this service rather than spend money on shortening them though I realise the extra capacity was needed on the north electrics.
As a 6 car?
hexagon789
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Yes, 385/0 are the 3-car units.
Typhoon_93
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Will check later when I get in but 385119 is heading north this evening with 67028 as 5X09.
A new signal for GML583 further out(currently at the end of platform 1) is getting installed and will be commissioned on the 19th to allow 6 car 385s to use platform 1
hexagon789
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Glad to hear it, it would be a bit nonsensical to not be able to use 6-car 385 formations purely because of that issue.
Haven't you got this the wrong way around as in this case you haven't been born yet?
hexagon789
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Sorry, that should've been 311s, I've edited my post to clarify.
Typhoon_93
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Only 385040 delivered last week leaving Aycliffe on Thursday 02/05/19 with 67028 as 7X09.
adrock1976
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Without me straying too far sideways, I felt that 10 Class 321s (4 diagrams all coupled pairs plus a spare pair) either in their original 4 coach formation or shortened to 3 coaches could be specially dedicated to the Glasgow Central - Lanark route, being as the 321s have a maximum speed of 100mph compared to the 318s and original 320s 75mph. This higher speed would be useful for Glasgow Central - Uddingston and Law Junction - Lanark Junction sections of the route.
All ScotRail 320s are 90mph units. The original ScotRail 320s were fitted with yaw dampers several years ago to increase their max speed from 75 to 90.
I thought everything apart from 314s were now minimum 90mph?
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Any movement tonight?
hexagon789
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The original 320s were all upgraded to 90mph from 75mph with the addition of yaw-dampers by about 2013.
The ex-321/4 320s may be still 100mph I'm not sure.
317 forever
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Maybe also, as the line to Alloa was not fully electrified until December, maybe it was going to have to wait until this month's timetable change to go fully 385, a bit like the Shotts line only going fully electric this month.
Altnabreac
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Are some of the Alloa diagrams still interworked with Maryhill at the moment? That might be changing in May if it's part of the reason for DMUs being required.
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