My thoughts would be, that until Abellio or DfT officially release more information, to take anything the media print with a huge grain of salt. Modern Railways claim to have interviewed a spokesman from Abellio, but there is no way to verify the information printed as it is the only source.
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My thoughts would be, that until Abellio or DfT officially release more information, to take anything the media print with a huge grain of salt. Modern Railways claim to have interviewed a spokesman from Abellio, but there is no way to verify the information printed as it is the only source.
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I'm not sure that "fighting" such a proposal would be worth it - there are lots of other constraints around the timetable and it may be that linking the Derwent Valley with the Norwich service is the most efficient use of resources and more importantly one where the paths across Nottingham work. It certainly sounds plausible as I think you'd struggle to get 3 seperate EMR services between Nottingham and Derby with XC, Leicester local and London services to contend with, especially with paths fixed around distant points like Stoke and the Ely area. That's not to say I agree with it, it's certainly a strange pairing.
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If I was a betting man 
I’d put money on no 180’s for EMR.
153’s all gone by January and 170’s coming in for the longer local stuff.
Angel sets gone ASAP, EMT HST’s gone by January and replaced with 13 ECML HST sets with CET fitted.
But that’s just what I’d put my money on.....
I’d put money on no 180’s for EMR.153’s all gone by January and 170’s coming in for the longer local stuff.
Angel sets gone ASAP, EMT HST’s gone by January and replaced with 13 ECML HST sets with CET fitted.
But that’s just what I’d put my money on.....
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Don't think that's the wisest bet to make! There are no free 170s yet; the GA ones are all accounted for (heading to Wales), and the WMR fleet is still in everyday use around Birmingham pending the introduction of the Class 196s - none of which have yet shown up in the flesh.If I was a betting man
153’s all gone by January and 170’s coming in for the longer local stuff.
Angel sets gone ASAP, EMT HST’s gone by January and replaced with 13 ECML HST sets with CET fitted.
But that’s just what I’d put my money on.....
LNER are allegedly retaining 6 HSTs for 6 months in 2020 due to the King's Cross blockades, so their services can run into terminals other than KGX (the only place cleared for Mk4s and Azumas in passenger service). I'd still put my coffers on 180s replacing the Angel HST sets.
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Sorry if I’ve missed this, but where would 180s come from? Will Hull Trains have their new bimodes by January? And Grand Central have just made their fleet a 180-only operation.
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Hull Trains are due to have 5 802/3s by December 2018, replacing 4 Class 180s.
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Bet you they do but then I know the up to date position a little bit better than the average poster on here!
The current aim is to get the cl.802 into service a.s.a.p. so that at least one or two of the cl.180 units can go to East Midlands for training before December 2019.
The current aim is to get the cl.802 into service a.s.a.p. so that at least one or two of the cl.180 units can go to East Midlands for training before December 2019.
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If i've learned one thing on the job, it's to always wait until something actually happens before believing it, even when management confirm. I remember looking forward to refreshing 31's when they were supposed to be introducing loco hauled on the Derby - Crewe's to help with a unit shortage. Been waiting ever since! 
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if the 170's aren't available for regional/rural EMT,then do you suppose the same metric could be applied to the TPE nova 2's and 185's cascading?
as far as I know the 185's are supposedly homeless after the new transpennine units go into service.
bloody expensive to run 185's ,mind.
By the maths I did upthread, the existing Norwich-Nottingham paths would have about a 15-20minute turnround time if extended to Derby. Project that on and the paths would pass each other somewhere around Belper. Not dissimilar to the current Matlock service, and suits occaption of the single line quite nicely.
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If I was a betting man
I'm sceptical about the role for 180s. In theory the Corby electrics should free up 4*222s by December 2020. Is it really worth taking them on, when they might be redundant after 6-7 months?
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It does call at Parkway station 24/7, at the Hampton Hilton hotel bus stop on Kimpton Road.
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185s are of basically no use to EMT and would struggle to keep to time on just about any service due to not being able to use sprinter differentials, more chance of the 185s freeing up Northern 170s (if any of the staff trained on 185s also work 170s) to get EMT staff trained than a direct use of 185s although even that is very unlikely in my opinion.
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Never mind the hotel as it’s still a 15 minute walk to Parkway station, far better to include a stop outside the station itself for connectivity reasons.
Especially if you have luggage, equally by stopping the existing 99 route between Luton Airport and Milton Keynes at Bletchley and Leighton Buzzard railway stations only it provides a much faster link between these areas of population then the existing F70/77 routes.
Abellio could then with the 99 co-advertise it with Stagecoach as a rail link service with though ticketing from say Nottingham to Milton Keynes via Luton.
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The shuttle will be got rid of anyway when the peoplemover opens. However the frequent bus services passing the Parkway are another reason why it could be the only Luton call for EMR.
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Define frequent please as there’s only 3 services that serve the airport, 757 to London Victoria, 99 to Milton Keynes and A to Dunstable via the Busway.
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It is outside the station, there is an entrance next to the hotel with a walk time from the bus stop of about two minutes! Not the 15 minutes quoted by Google as it seemingly doesn't think there are two entrances to the station!
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Not forgetting the 100 between Luton and Stevenage.
I assume the shuttle refers to the Thameslink route between Parkway Station and the Airport.
While I'm happy to be surprised, I too don't see the point in the 180s for the MML.
Their small number and unreliability stacks up against them.
Drivers who would drive them are trained on HSTs (I appreciate there are subtle differences between the ex-Grand Central HSTs though). May as well just keep them (the HSTs) until the new stock arrives.
Or carry on with the whole MK4 & Class 67 idea
Their small number and unreliability stacks up against them.
Drivers who would drive them are trained on HSTs (I appreciate there are subtle differences between the ex-Grand Central HSTs though). May as well just keep them (the HSTs) until the new stock arrives.
Or carry on with the whole MK4 & Class 67 idea
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Does the 101 also serve the airport? And yes the shuttle does refer to the TL route between the station and airport.
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I was going to get the bus to Parkway but looking at Google thought better of it and just got on at Luton instead, didn't know there was two entrances to parkway.
Is that on the Up side or the Down side as they have barriers on both sides IIRC?
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I was referring to the buses serving the Parkway, not those serving the airport.
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That's quite right, there are currently 7 Arriva services per hour passing during the daytime (set to increase) not to mention the frequent Thameslink services to do the Parkway to Luton short trips.
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That entrance that’s 2 mins away from the bus stop which side of Parkway do I need eg exit on the down or on the up?
Platform 1, southbound Thameslink platform next to the Hampton hotel, which you can see from the station. Barriers about a third of the way down the platform.
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I've seen those barriers but thought I use the A route last night - ended up doing a loop because I wasn't sure exactly which bus stop to get off at and Google Maps was as much use as a chocolate fireguard!
Eg which bus stop do I need arriving at Parkway?
Don't forget that it's not just the Angel HSTs that need to go, the rest of the fleet needs modification or replacement.
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