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They have used RS before in the past, although i'd agree it's uncommon, likewise they've used Watermill in the past but again it's uncommon.

The Panther's were the vehicles i was mentioning when i said it was "too little too late", 2 Plaxton Elite's were also meant to be joining Coach Hire last year (I'll try and find a photo of the two in question) but the purchase of them fell through (This was around the same time they bought 20812). Agree regarding the Levante's, they're pretty unreliable which is to be expected for Levante. The Panther they currently have (20613) doesn't look that bad, i had a decent look round it last Sunday and it still seems fairly tidy minus the carpet on the side walls - additionally they've finally sorted the mirrors out so they match. One of the things that bothers me with FACH is the clear lack of interest in presentation, perhaps one of the more stand out examples being that they'll put wheel trims on the front wheels but not on the rear wheels and vise-versa. Private hire at weekends would still be touring, albeit day tours. Quite surprising if what you're saying about the 2011 Panther's not getting a deep clean is true.

I take it you're yet another Ex-FACH driver? Not expecting the coach hire side to be lasting much longer, the only worth left in it really is the school contracts, but then even with those you have to question if it's worth having a totally different brand and team of drivers. I believe the supervisor (or whatever his full role title is) has jumped the ship now too.

I can categorically tell you they've never used RS coaches.

Doesn't matter what they should have received, point is they didn't buy the Elites. 20613 doesn't look bad per day but it looks a lot worse now than it did when it arrived. Lot more surface dust and also it's gained a single red seatbelt since it arrived which just looks poor.

I agree regarding presentation, poor show that they don't seem to realise that part of a coach hire business is fleet presentation. They try to run it like a service bus business in the sense that a bus is a bus and the customers don't care which isn't true.

Private hire work and tour work is not the same thing. Tour work requires a much higher standard of coach which First don't have - even 20812.

Whilst they still have the Robert Gordon's contract they'll continue I imagine. Their regular games buses along with weekend private hires make having the coach hire worthwhile in itself. There is 2 coaching supervisors 1 has left but the other is still there and the one who left has been replaced. Life goes on...
 
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I can categorically tell you they've never used RS coaches.

Doesn't matter what they should have received, point is they didn't buy the Elites. 20613 doesn't look bad per day but it looks a lot worse now than it did when it arrived. Lot more surface dust and also it's gained a single red seatbelt since it arrived which just looks poor.

I agree regarding presentation, poor show that they don't seem to realise that part of a coach hire business is fleet presentation. They try to run it like a service bus business in the sense that a bus is a bus and the customers don't care which isn't true.

Private hire work and tour work is not the same thing. Tour work requires a much higher standard of coach which First don't have - even 20812.

Whilst they still have the Robert Gordon's contract they'll continue I imagine. Their regular games buses along with weekend private hires make having the coach hire worthwhile in itself. There is 2 coaching supervisors 1 has left but the other is still there and the one who left has been replaced. Life goes on...

I've seen an RS vehicle being used on the Harlaw Playing Field shuttles before, so they have used them before. Although this was a good few years back.

Did notice some dust on the floor of 20613 but nothing that drastic, the thing that lets it down as i've said already is the carpeting. I did see the red seatbelt, but didn't realise at the time it was the only one, i just assumed that like on the Levante's it was a seat with fittings for a baby seat (as i say i didn't think much of the belt and didn't notice it was the only red one until you mentioned it now).

To be honest a few of the profiles and Irizar's are in worst condition than some of the service vehicles. Although on the whole vehicle presentation at Aberdeen right now is the worst it's been in years. A few of the Profiles painted last year were starting to look really scruffy within 6 months. I should've clarified that before when i mentioned "touring" i was referring to the private hire work, simply poor wording / a mix up on my part.
 

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Aberdeen are getting 15 hydrogen double deckers for route 19 "launching later this year".

https://news.aberdeencity.gov.uk/a-world-first-for-aberdeen-as-hydrogen-ambitions-grow/

A world first for Aberdeen as hydrogen ambitions grow
Hydrogen double decker bus pic
Aberdeen is set to become the first city in the world to introduce hydrogen-powered double decker buses.

The new additions to the hydrogen fleet will underline the city’s role as a pioneer in green energy.

The contract which was signed this month will deliver 15 city buses. The project has been funded by Aberdeen City Council, European Union (FCH JU) and Scottish Government with an investment of about £500k per vehicle, building on the initial research funding contributed by the Scottish Cities Alliance.

The vehicles will be operated by First on the 19 (Culter to Tillydrone) route and is part funded by the European Union’s JIVE project, which aims to aid commercialisation of hydrogen buses through joint procurement between cities. Cities that will follow Aberdeen’s footsteps include London and Birmingham, with Dundee and Brighton and Hove being lead partners in JIVE2.

Launching later this year, the buses are more efficient than electric equivalents, with refuelling taking less than 10 minutes and offering a greater range. Water is the only emission from the vehicles, reducing carbon emissions and continues to contribute to the city’s commitment to tackling air pollution.

The buses have been produced by a UK-based company – Wrightbus based in Northern Ireland - and will complement the existing fleet that the city already boasts 10 buses as well as a range of vans and cars.

Councillor Philip Bell, Aberdeen City Council’s hydrogen spokesperson, said: “Aberdeen appears to be pushing boundaries with an innovative approach when it comes to hydrogen, the entrepreneurial and technological leadership puts Aberdeen on the global map.

“Striving to tackle air pollution, these additional buses highlight Aberdeen City Council’s commitment and ambition as a ‘Centre for Excellence’ for hydrogen and fuel cell technologies.”

David Phillips, Operations Director for First Aberdeen, said: “First Aberdeen is delighted to be the first bus company to operate these unique new Wrightbus hydrogen-powered double decker buses for the city of Aberdeen. It is a pleasure to continue our partnership with Aberdeen City Council on this innovative project and we applaud the council in its continued support of the hydrogen bus technology. We very much look forward to operating these new vehicles for the people of Aberdeen.”

FCH JU’s Executive Director Bart Biebuyck said: “Aberdeen is at the forefront of hydrogen mobility for public transport: it has been operating the first fleet of 10 fuel cell buses in Europe. With the addition of 15 new double decker buses, it also demonstrates the ease to scale up for zero emission mobility with hydrogen and is something for other European cities to follow.”

Scotland’s Energy Minister, Paul Wheelhouse, said: “The Scottish Government has supported a number of major projects which demonstrate the use of hydrogen. The First Minister has announced our commitment to undertake a detailed assessment on hydrogen and its potential to contribute to achieving our net-zero 2045 target. Our track record of early actions to fund hydrogen initiatives has created a favourable opinion of Scotland in the UK and abroad as an innovation leader in this area. We were delighted to contribute to the funding which has made this exciting next phase of Aberdeen’s hydrogen journey possible. This important investment will help the city achieve its decarbonisation ambitions and further cement its reputation for innovation and technology.”

David Barnett, Business Development Director for Wrightbus, said: “Wrightbus is delighted to have worked with Aberdeen City Council and First Aberdeen on this exciting project. The fuel cell electric bus range demonstrates yet again Wrightbus’ technical excellence and leadership. The vehicle offers pioneering cities, like Aberdeen, the opportunity to replace diesel buses with zero emission buses on a one-to-one basis.”
 

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They will need to keep double deckers for backup as single deckers would be too small for the 19. Hopefully they are more reliable than the Van Hools as when they were all in use there were sometimes few or none out. Of course older double deckers could come in to be used as the backup buses in the short term to allow the Geminis to go elsewhere.
 

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They will need to keep double deckers for backup as single deckers would be too small for the 19. Hopefully they are more reliable than the Van Hools as when they were all in use there were sometimes few or none out.

Enviro500's however can be used on the 19, although i'd agree it makes more sense to keep the Gemini's. They'd be useful on the likes of the 3, 18 and 23.
 

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The Enviro 500s seem to be fully used on Bridges, Lochside, 3 and 18 though. They would not be spare.
 

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I've seen an RS vehicle being used on the Harlaw Playing Field shuttles before, so they have used them before. Although this was a good few years back.

Did notice some dust on the floor of 20613 but nothing that drastic, the thing that lets it down as i've said already is the carpeting. I did see the red seatbelt, but didn't realise at the time it was the only one, i just assumed that like on the Levante's it was a seat with fittings for a baby seat (as i say i didn't think much of the belt and didn't notice it was the only red one until you mentioned it now).

To be honest a few of the profiles and Irizar's are in worst condition than some of the service vehicles. Although on the whole vehicle presentation at Aberdeen right now is the worst it's been in years. A few of the Profiles painted last year were starting to look really scruffy within 6 months. I should've clarified that before when i mentioned "touring" i was referring to the private hire work, simply poor wording / a mix up on my part.

They must have been on a private hire of their own then as they've never been used by First.

The carpeting doesn't make any difference to the punter whether it's black or purple it's tidy enough and frankly there is a lot worse than there being purple carpet along the sides.

The profiles have been hammered and the amount of damage that hasn't been reported is crazy. Almost every one of them has some sort of dent or scrape. Touring and private hire are completely different hence the confusion. Know now for the future
 

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They must have been on a private hire of their own then as they've never been used by First.

The carpeting doesn't make any difference to the punter whether it's black or purple it's tidy enough and frankly there is a lot worse than there being purple carpet along the sides.

The profiles have been hammered and the amount of damage that hasn't been reported is crazy. Almost every one of them has some sort of dent or scrape. Touring and private hire are completely different hence the confusion. Know now for the future

I can assure you it was a First contract, it was quite a good few years back now (possibly 2014). I recall the other vehicle in use that day was Excalibur 20205, pretty sure it was just before it got withdrawn.

I wasn't complaining about the colour of the carpeting, the issue with it is that it's dirty and stained. It really lets the vehicle down when you have those nice seats yet a mucky carpet along the side walls, the mint/green ceiling carpet is fine.

Agree about the Profiles, you're spot on when you say they're running a coach hire business like a service bus business, although even then i'd expect higher standards. I know the difference between Touring and Private Hire, as i say it was just a mix up.
 

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The Enviro 500s seem to be fully used on Bridges, Lochside, 3 and 18 though. They would not be spare.

Indeed, i was just noting that the E500's could still be used on the 19 if needed.

I think the best outcome would be for the Gemini's to remain in the fleet to oust the B10BLE's and Euro 3 B7RLE's (11 vehicles in total). 6 of the Gemini's should be repainted/branded for the 18 with the other 6 covering the remaining 18 duties and the 3/3G. I doubt they'll be keen to oust the Artics as their capacity is needed for RGU and replacing B7LA's with Gemini's that only offer 50% of the capacity just doesn't add up.
 

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Indeed, i was just noting that the E500's could still be used on the 19 if needed.

I think the best outcome would be for the Gemini's to remain in the fleet to oust the B10BLE's and Euro 3 B7RLE's (11 vehicles in total). 6 of the Gemini's should be repainted/branded for the 18 with the other 6 covering the remaining 18 duties and the 3/3G. I doubt they'll be keen to oust the Artics as their capacity is needed for RGU and replacing B7LA's with Gemini's that only offer 50% of the capacity just doesn't add up.

Back to a previous discussion here but if the Artics are providing such good capacity that can’t be met by deckers, surely First will have to look at finding a suitable bendy replacement for the 1&2 routes? The artics aren’t getting any younger as they’re about 14 now.
 

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Back to a previous discussion here but if the Artics are providing such good capacity that can’t be met by deckers, surely First will have to look at finding a suitable bendy replacement for the 1&2 routes? The artics aren’t getting any younger as they’re about 14 now.

Agreed, although First Bath are currently looking at upgrading their Artics to Euro 6. The issue is that there's only two Artics on offer in the UK right now and both would be pretty non-standard. They could get ADL or Wright to build some Artics, however they'd only be happy to do so if there was a bigger order, in which case they'd probably have to order new vehicles for Aberdeen and Bath at the same time. Unfortunately i suspect the more likely outcome will be that Aberdeen gets some normal deckers as unbranded vehicles in order to allow the E500s to cover the 1/2 full time. They could do this with the new Streetdecks, however i find it less likely as there's not enough of them to replace both the B10's and Artics, not to mention the fact that they've recently been tidying up the artics and are looking to reinstate 10170 with it currently in the workshop.

I should also mention that Enviro400XLB's at 13.4M like Lothian's are also out the question as these wouldn't be able to operate the 1 or 2 due to their size. (Yes the Artics are much longer, however they're far more manoeuvrable).
 

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Agreed, although First Bath are currently looking at upgrading their Artics to Euro 6. The issue is that there's only two Artics on offer in the UK right now and both would be pretty non-standard. They could get ADL or Wright to build some Artics, however they'd only be happy to do so if there was a bigger order, in which case they'd probably have to order new vehicles for Aberdeen and Bath at the same time. Unfortunately i suspect the more likely outcome will be that Aberdeen gets some normal deckers as unbranded vehicles in order to allow the E500s to cover the 1/2 full time. They could do this with the new Streetdecks, however i find it less likely as there's not enough of them to replace both the B10's and Artics, not to mention the fact that they've recently been tidying up the artics and are looking to reinstate 10170 with it currently in the workshop.

I should also mention that Enviro400XLB's at 13.4M like Lothian's are also out the question as these wouldn't be able to operate the 1 or 2 due to their size. (Yes the Artics are much longer, however they're far more manoeuvrable).

It would be interesting to see if any other areas could benefit from new attics (ie Glasgow’s 2 and 9 route in particular). This could crank up the orders on those.

I’m a big fan of the E400XLB. The One in Glasgow I think would benefit from these also. Anyway off topic.

Would be nice to see more Artics in Aberdeen as they work well and why fix what’s not broken!
 

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I wasn't disagreeing and you're getting your hydrogen deckers (?) plus have a fairly decent fleet with a reasonable profile. There are some fleets that have a greater challenge in terms of overall fleet age AND meeting various AQMA/LEZ/CAZ challenges.

Indeed, 15 Hydrogen deckers due by the end of the year. The Aberdeen fleet is decent enough, but the presentation has to be some of the worst in First Group. Bar a few B7RLE's and E500's pretty much every bus in the fleet is in need of a repaint now with the worst being the Artics, Platinum vehicles & some of the older native B7RLEs. Internally the fleet isn't too bad. The Platinum and Artic refurbs in particular have stood the test of time well.

It would be interesting to see if any other areas could benefit from new attics (ie Glasgow’s 2 and 9 route in particular). This could crank up the orders on those.

I’m a big fan of the E400XLB. The One in Glasgow I think would benefit from these also. Anyway off topic.

Would be nice to see more Artics in Aberdeen as they work well and why fix what’s not broken!

The issue is that you don't want Artics on longer residential routes as the seating capacity is only around 55 to 60. Artics work best on particularly university aimed routes where a bulk of the passengers are young students travelling for 20 minutes at most. You'll note in Aberdeen the Artics tend to go on the 1 with the E500s on the 2. This is because the 1 enters the RGU Campus so the Artic capacity is needed, however on the 2 which is busier to the northern end of the route the additional seats the E500s offer is needed for Scotstown/Ashwood residents.

You could operate the 1/2 with deckers if you increase the frequency, however especially during peak periods this would be inefficient and cause congestion along the likes of Holburn Street. A good idea could be B8RLEA/E200MMC's for the 1/1A and B8L/E400XLB's for the 2. However this could cause issues at an operational level, as i mentioned before the 1 isn't suitable for the XLB's.
 

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Agreed, although First Bath are currently looking at upgrading their Artics to Euro 6. The issue is that there's only two Artics on offer in the UK right now and both would be pretty non-standard. They could get ADL or Wright to build some Artics, however they'd only be happy to do so if there was a bigger order, in which case they'd probably have to order new vehicles for Aberdeen and Bath at the same time. Unfortunately i suspect the more likely outcome will be that Aberdeen gets some normal deckers as unbranded vehicles in order to allow the E500s to cover the 1/2 full time. They could do this with the new Streetdecks, however i find it less likely as there's not enough of them to replace both the B10's and Artics, not to mention the fact that they've recently been tidying up the artics and are looking to reinstate 10170 with it currently in the workshop.

I should also mention that Enviro400XLB's at 13.4M like Lothian's are also out the question as these wouldn't be able to operate the 1 or 2 due to their size. (Yes the Artics are much longer, however they're far more manoeuvrable).

The general understanding seems to be - with one "on trial" there already - that nine of the Citaro artics at York will be heading south to Bath later in the year once the new MetroDecker EVs for the York Park & Ride fleet arrive (they are keeping six for a route that can't take 'deckers). Presumably these will be upgraded to Euro 6, if they haven't been already. That won't replace all of the B7LAs there, but it will get rid of the worst.

@danielwilkie haven't there been murmurs that Lothian are considering, or have ordered, the type, along with 12m B8RLE/E300s too?

Quite what Aberdeen do is another question. It's clear that the artics need replacing somehow, but there seems to be no simple way to do so.
 

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The general understanding seems to be - with one "on trial" there already - that nine of the Citaro artics at York will be heading south to Bath later in the year once the new MetroDecker EVs for the York Park & Ride fleet arrive (they are keeping six for a route that can't take 'deckers). Presumably these will be upgraded to Euro 6, if they haven't been already. That won't replace all of the B7LAs there, but it will get rid of the worst.

@danielwilkie haven't there been murmurs that Lothian are considering, or have ordered, the type, along with 12m B8RLE/E300s too?

Quite what Aberdeen do is another question. It's clear that the artics need replacing somehow, but there seems to be no simple way to do so.

From what i understand with Bath the 9 Citaro's are to replace the 6 Ex-Aberdeen B7LA's and the two W reg B7LAs. With the 55 plate examples being the ones retained and converted.

If they done some overhaul work on the Aberdeen B7LA's they could probably go for quite a good few years yet, as i say they're generally still quite good runners, tidy internally (minus the rattles) and their reliability has massively improved as they've gotten older. It's just the external appearance that lets them down. Give them a repaint, reduce the rattles, deep clean, do some mechanical overhaul work. And they'd be fine for a bit longer. As i say, the refurb they got about three and a half years ago has held up well.
 

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Indeed, 15 Hydrogen deckers due by the end of the year. The Aberdeen fleet is decent enough, but the presentation has to be some of the worst in First Group. Bar a few B7RLE's and E500's pretty much every bus in the fleet is in need of a repaint now with the worst being the Artics, Platinum vehicles & some of the older native B7RLEs. Internally the fleet isn't too bad. The Platinum and Artic refurbs in particular have stood the test of time well.

That's a bold claim. First West of England still has a healthy amount of Barbie still about, shocking internally and externally with a smattering of Darts and Solos that haven't been painted since delivery in 2005. There are some very, very shabby vehicles in the First Kernow fleet too https://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/42746382760/in/photolist-288mokj-2grTbBB. As for Buses of Somerset (and I've upset someone before on this), they launched the green livery and had virtually all the fleet in those colours. Presentation is now very poor with buses transferred to BoS in late 2016/early 2017 are still in Urban colours. Of 8 buses working the main Bridgwater service, you can have a choice of BoS or Kernow Green, full Atlantic Coaster livery, dealer white or First urban scheme.

The clever money is that Bath will receive some of the York Citaro bendis since 11111 was trialled.
 

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That's a bold claim. First West of England still has a healthy amount of Barbie still about, shocking internally and externally with a smattering of Darts and Solos that haven't been painted since delivery in 2005. There are some very, very shabby vehicles in the First Kernow fleet too https://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/42746382760/in/photolist-288mokj-2grTbBB. As for Buses of Somerset (and I've upset someone before on this), they launched the green livery and had virtually all the fleet in those colours. Presentation is now very poor with buses transferred to BoS in late 2016/early 2017 are still in Urban colours. Of 8 buses working the main Bridgwater service, you can have a choice of BoS or Kernow Green, full Atlantic Coaster livery, dealer white or First urban scheme.

The clever money is that Bath will receive some of the York Citaro bendis since 11111 was trialled.

Should clarify i said "Some of the worst", not "the worst". Agree though there are worse. However between January 2015 and now (over 4 and a half years) only 11 buses have been repainted, 3 of which are now trainers and another 4 are due to come off by the end of the year. The issue with Aberdeen is that nearly the whole fleet was either repainted in 2013/14 or new in 2013/14, this means that currently the majority of buses are due for repaint.

It's not exactly the best idea when you have supposedly "Platinum" vehicles out like this...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/jordanadam44/31977444258/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/41987105@N06/46912433445/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/41987105@N06/40593812023/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/william-walker/48285102232/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/busmanscotland/45934192505/

Just a random selection of some other scabby vehicles.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/aberdeentransportphotos/40542950300
https://www.flickr.com/photos/jordanadam44/46900957835/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/danielbishop28/43176450790
https://www.flickr.com/photos/busmanscotland/46739066644/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/busmanscotland/33517668928/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/busmanscotland/39833219543/

The point i was getting at is that as a whole the presentation is very poor. The only tidy looking buses are a few E500s & 69133/290/294/356/357. The rest all have damaged panels, deep water/dirt stains and scabby paint. Lets not forget recently preserved B10BLE's 62151 which has not had a lick of paint since 2004!

The main issue is the fact buses have to do an almost 300 mile round trip to get repainted and Caledonia doesn't have the capacity to do all Aberdeen vehicles. Middle management don't put pressure on fleet standards as they're overworked and too busy focusing on other things like trying to retain contracts and work through agency drivers. While higher management are all at Caledonia and Larbert. Under Grampian and during the early First days none of this would've happened because management at the time always pushed for high presentation standards and the workshop knew if a scabby vehicle was spotted on the road management would give them a "slap on the wrist".

You'll have to excuse the long essay, i just thought i should clarify what i said, give some examples and then give some reasons.
 
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Should clarify i said "Some of the worst", not "the worst". Agree though there are worse. However between January 2015 and now (over 4 and a half years) only 11 buses have been repainted, 3 of which are now trainers and another 4 are due to come off by the end of the year. The issue with Aberdeen is that nearly the whole fleet was either repainted in 2013/14 or new in 2013/14, this means that currently the majority of buses are due for repaint.

It's not exactly the best idea when you have supposedly "Platinum" vehicles out like this...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/jordanadam44/31977444258/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/41987105@N06/46912433445/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/41987105@N06/40593812023/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/william-walker/48285102232/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/busmanscotland/45934192505/

Just a random selection of some other scabby vehicles.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/aberdeentransportphotos/40542950300
https://www.flickr.com/photos/jordanadam44/46900957835/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/danielbishop28/43176450790
https://www.flickr.com/photos/busmanscotland/46739066644/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/busmanscotland/33517668928/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/busmanscotland/39833219543/

The point i was getting at is that as a whole the presentation is very poor. The only tidy looking buses are a few E500s & 69133/290/294/356/357. The rest all have damaged panels, deep water/dirt stains and scabby paint. Lets not forget recently preserved B10BLE's 62151 which has not had a lick of paint since 2004!

I don't doubt it's not good but believe me, it's quite an accolade but you'll do well to beat Kernow, they've been receiving Barbie Tridents and have the added issue (which is more the point) of having vehicles outbased so they don't get washed as often as they might

https://www.flickr.com/photos/john-...voHd-27M6CFY-2b3gVFB-2aLmNvR-29uPMAe-288mqFG/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/john-...voHd-27M6CFY-2b3gVFB-2aLmNvR-29uPMAe-288mqFG/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/14667...9voHd-27M6CFY-2b3gVFB-2aLmNvR-29uPMAe-288mqFG

Recently withdrawn, Trident 33056 had to be seen to be believed

https://www.flickr.com/photos/86156...-29uQ3gr-2cmLPJZ-R7k41G-2c1vDub-PBzN24-NKvRsw
https://www.flickr.com/photos/north...7QGv-2brYqfj-29HUyJV-26KTAjS-27RHqB8-26KTsdG/
 

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I don't doubt it's not good but believe me, it's quite an accolade but you'll do well to beat Kernow, they've been receiving Barbie Tridents and have the added issue (which is more the point) of having vehicles outbased so they don't get washed as often as they might

https://www.flickr.com/photos/john-...voHd-27M6CFY-2b3gVFB-2aLmNvR-29uPMAe-288mqFG/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/john-...voHd-27M6CFY-2b3gVFB-2aLmNvR-29uPMAe-288mqFG/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/14667...9voHd-27M6CFY-2b3gVFB-2aLmNvR-29uPMAe-288mqFG

Recently withdrawn, Trident 33056 had to be seen to be believed

https://www.flickr.com/photos/86156...-29uQ3gr-2cmLPJZ-R7k41G-2c1vDub-PBzN24-NKvRsw
https://www.flickr.com/photos/north...7QGv-2brYqfj-29HUyJV-26KTAjS-27RHqB8-26KTsdG/

I get what you're saying, but that's not my point as Kernow also have quite high a number of really tidy vehicles. My point is as a whole the Aberdeen fleet is poor, not particular or a small group of vehicles but as a whole.
 

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I get what you're saying, but that's not my point as Kernow also have quite high a number of really tidy vehicles. My point is as a whole the Aberdeen fleet is poor, not particular or a small group of vehicles but as a whole.

Kernow don't - they really struggle with presentation because of the number of vehicles that are outbased; only Camborne depot had a wash though I think Summercourt and Penzance were getting sorted. Then they have narrow roads so even repainted vehicles get creased panels on verges and various scrapes, and then you have the Barbie Tridents.
 

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Kernow don't - they really struggle with presentation because of the number of vehicles that are outbased; only Camborne depot had a wash though I think Summercourt and Penzance were getting sorted. Then they have narrow roads so even repainted vehicles get creased panels on verges and various scrapes, and then you have the Barbie Tridents.

What about all those new E200MMC, E400MMC's, Solos etc. Plus all the vehicles in the new livery schemes. The point is Aberdeen bar a few vehicles doesn't have anything tidy, everything is in need of repaint.
 

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What about all those new E200MMC, E400MMC's, Solos etc. Plus all the vehicles in the new livery schemes. The point is Aberdeen bar a few vehicles doesn't have anything tidy, everything is in need of repaint.

Like I said, you've got new buses at Falmouth but they don't have a wash there. Nor at Truro AFAIK so yes, they're new but not that clean. Same with new deckers at Bodmin that will work down to Truro but only get washed when cycled through Summercourt.

Buses of Somerset is also pretty shabby

https://www.flickr.com/photos/swbuspics/48052221977/in/pool-2735067@N21/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/swbuspics/48052162163/in/pool-2735067@N21/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/swbuspics/48052098643/in/pool-2735067@N21/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/swbuspics/48051813776/in/pool-2735067@N21/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/bazzadarambler/46904214245/in/pool-2735067@N21/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/77751183@N07/46774664135/in/pool-2735067@N21/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/74802869@N03/47439804862/in/pool-2735067@N21/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/74802869@N03/47439755282/in/pool-2735067@N21/

I'm not saying Aberdeen is pristine as it ain't but there's competition for the crown.
 

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Fair enough, as i say though i wasn't saying Aberdeen had the worst fleet in terms of presentation just "one of" :p. Indeed i once got banned from a group elsewhere for making comments about a former Aberdeen vehicle with Somerset (one of the heritage livery B10s) and about how it returned in such an awful state compared to 9 months prior when it was sent down! Anyway that's the topic for another day...
 

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Fair enough, as i say though i wasn't saying Aberdeen had the worst fleet in terms of presentation just "one of" :p. Indeed i once got banned from a group elsewhere for making comments about a former Aberdeen vehicle with Somerset (one of the heritage livery B10s) and about how it returned in such an awful state compared to 9 months prior when it was sent down! Anyway that's the topic for another day...

I remember that one appearing in Taunton.
 

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It's good to see the fleet now being tidied up, however as always with first much of it is a half done job. They've tidied up the fronts of most of the Artics, but the sides are still all worn with stuck in dirt. Likewise they've repainted the front of 67085 but not sorted the nearside skirt which is all discoloured and bashed.
 

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