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Service changes (9th September 2019)

From the 9th of September First Aberdeen will be revising the Bridges Services, the changes are overall improvements with the 1A axed and the 1B extended, additionally the frequency of AM 1 & 2 is increased.

Full list of changes to each route are as follows.

Service 1: Offpeak buses will be split so that 50% of buses will continue to terminate at Laurel Drive as present, while the other 50% will divert and terminate at the main side entrance to Tesco Danestone instead. Early morning journeys divert via Tesco on their way to Danestone.

Service 1A: Withdrawan (Replaced by 1B)

Service 1B: The 1B will be extended to Robert Gordon's University Via Holburn Street in both directions replacing the 1A, the additional peak time short workings between RGU and Castle Street / St Machar Drive are now also renumbered from 1A to 1B. Departure times from Dubford have been revised to end the clashing with the 1B and 8 departing at the same time.

Service 2: Additional layover time built in on Garthdee Drive at Inchbrae Drive.


The new timetable can be viewed under the Forthcoming Timetables page. (Note the timetable for the 8 is yet to be uploaded)

 
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First Scotland East Scania L94UB / Wright Solar 65708 (SN54 KDF) is at King Street Depot. I wonder what for.
 

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Now it is Aberdeen's turn:-

https://www.firstgroup.com/aberdeen/first-aberdeen-network-proposals-october-27th-2019

First Aberdeen Network Proposals - October 27th 2019
The following network changes are currently being proposed on the routes listed below. We would welcome your feedback during this consultation period. Can you please submits any comments in the boxes below before 9pm on Friday August 30th 2019.

Services – 3, 8, 11, 12, 17, 18, 19, 20, 117, X27 and Night Services.

Service Proposed Action
3
Bus service 3 - Mastrick – Cove via ARI - Rosemount - Union Square - Wellington Rd

Will operate revised route in Cove, now separated into two different routes (3 & 3A) both operating 20 minute frequency.
Service 3 will operate Langsdyke Road, Loirston Road, Cove Road, Earns Heugh Road, Loriston Avenue to Langsdyke Road.
Service 3A would operate Langsdyke Road, Loirston Road, Cove Road, Charleston Road to Wellington Road to City Centre.

8
Bus service 8 - Dubford – ARI via Danestone - Tillydrone - Aberdeen University - City Centre

Service 8 will be removed due to low usage, but the peak journey service 8A to and from the hospital is still retained.

11
Bus service 11 - Woodend – Northfield via Queens Road - City Centre - Berryden Retail Park

Revised frequency from 15 mins to every 20 minutes, at peaks and main daytime, with timetable alterations..


12
Bus service 12 - Heathryfold – Torry via Berryden Retail Park - Union Square

Revised timetable introduced to provide quicker journeys.

17
Bus service 17 - Faulds Gate – Dyce via Duthie Park - Crown St - Bon Accord Centre- Newhills - Stoneywood - Victoria St - Dyce

Revised frequency from 15 minutes to 20 mins between Newhills and Faulds Gate and reduced to hourly between Newhills and Dyce during the day. The half hourly evening service is still retained.

18
Bus service 18 - Charleston – Dyce via Cove- Altens Ind Est - Kincorth - City Centre- Tillydrone- Danestone

This service will be removed from Cove area, however will maintain links to Altens Industrial Estate and Charleston at peak times.
At the north end of the route, this service will be rerouted between Mugiemoss Road and City Centre to operate on Great Northern Road, no longer serving the Danestone and Tillydrone areas.


19
Bus service 19 - Culter - Tillydrone

Revised timetable introduced to provide quicker journeys.


20
Bus service 20 - Balnagak Circle - Hillhead Of Seaton via Union Square - Union Street - Old Aberdeen

On Non-Uni dates will operate an hourly service Monday-Sunday.

117
Bus service 117 - City Centre - Kirkhill Industrial Estate via Hilton - Wellheads Industrial Estate

Service 117 will be removed due to low usage. The X27 will continue to serve Kirkhill Industrial Estate but will no longer serve Stoneywood area and Wellhead Industrial Estate.

X27
Bus service X27 - Guild St - TECA / Bristow Heliport via Union St - Woodside

Revised route between City Centre and Dyce rail station via Union Street, Alford Place, Waverley Place, Craigie Loanings, Argyll Place, Westburn Drive, Hilton Drive, Auchmill Road, P&J Live site, Wellshead drive, International Avenue, past Aberdeen Airport, Forbes Road to Heliports, then Dyce Drive to Dyce Rail Station, with some journeys operating via Howe Moss Crescent & Avenue.
Reduced from current 15 min to 20 min frequency.
When leaving Dyce Railway Station the X27 will now service the Heliports / Kirkhill Industrial Estate first before continuing to P&J Live and the city centre.
Between Holburn Junction and Auchmill Road there are limited stops – Westburn Park, Hilton High Church and Hilton Terrace to provide quicker journey time.

Night Services
Reduced number of trips on each service due to lack of patronage.
 

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To summarise the awful changes.

Service 3: Increased to Every 10 Minutes, Now serves Charleston Road North as a 3A replacing the 18.

Service 8: Axed

Service 11: Reduced to Every 20 Minutes

Service 12: Minor timetable changes

Service 17: Reduced to Every 20 Minutes, Hourly to Dyce

Service 18: Reduced to Every 20 Minutes, Cut from Cove, Danestoen & Tillydrone

Service 19: Minor timetable changes

Service 20: Reduced to Hourly when University is closed

Service X27: Reduced to Every 20 Minutes, now operates via Hilton on a Limited stop basis, now operates to Dyce Railway Station via Heliport. Extended to Kirkhill during peaks.

Service 117: Axed

Main cuts/increased in service coverage:
Danestone/Tillydrone reduced from 8BPH to 4BPH
Dubford reduced from 3BPH to 2BPH
Cove reduced from 8BPH to 6BPH
Bucksburn reduced from 11BPH to 9BPH
Hilton Increased from 12BPH to 15BPH.
Mastrick increased from 8BPH to 9BPH
Northfield cut from 7BPH to 6BPH (Previously had 15BPH in 2016/17)
 

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Ouch is the word I’m looking for. There’s an element of “if you don’t use it you’ll lose it” but such savage cuts don’t attract folk to the buses in the first place.
 

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Ouch is the word I’m looking for. There’s an element of “if you don’t use it you’ll lose it” but such savage cuts don’t attract folk to the buses in the first place.

I'm afraid the phrase doesn't apply here as they're cutting well used services!
 

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Being reported nationally on Reporting Scotland this morning!! Definitely not going down well...
 

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For all of Andrew Jarvis can say, "they've taken the opportunity to review there services"...

Its obviously all on the face of keeping profits where it's at, fuel prices have not risen for a fair while now, yet if this point was made to them it would be a case of saving from costs of drivers wages etc etc.

First should sell up before they've ruined things completely!
 

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For all of Andrew Jarvis can say, "they've taken the opportunity to review there services"...

Its obviously all on the face of keeping profits where it's at, fuel prices have not risen for a fair while now, yet if this point was made to them it would be a case of saving from costs of drivers wages etc etc.

First should sell up before they've ruined things completely!

It's being reported internally that the reason for the cuts is due to "upper management" (as in those above Jarvis) wanting Aberdeen to save costs following the loss of the international school and rail replacement contracts.

However there are better ways they could've saved equally as many vehicles without as much of an impact. For example Whitestripes (an area on a steep hill) is away to loose it's only real bus service, leaving the many elderly residents who live there housebound as they will be unable to walk the distance to the 1/2.

If you live in Danestone journey times in to town will now increase from 15 - 20 minutes to over 40 minutes, while all Tillydrone residents will now have to cram on to the 19. As i say my main issue with these changes is the fact there's no justification as they're cutting well used busy routes. The 18 between Muggiemoss and Cove should be left as it is as it's a route that works really well.
 

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It's being reported internally that the reason for the cuts is due to "upper management" (as in those above Jarvis) wanting Aberdeen to save costs following the loss of the international school and rail replacement contracts.

However there are better ways they could've saved equally as many vehicles without as much of an impact. For example Whitestripes (an area on a steep hill) is away to loose it's only real bus service, leaving the many elderly residents who live there housebound as they will be unable to walk the distance to the 1/2.

If you live in Danestone journey times in to town will now increase from 15 - 20 minutes to over 40 minutes, while all Tillydrone residents will now have to cram on to the 19. As i say my main issue with these changes is the fact there's no justification as they're cutting well used busy routes. The 18 between Muggiemoss and Cove should be left as it is as it's a route that works really well.

Tillydrone residents seemed to manage fine cramming on to the 25, during the many decades (70s/80s/90s) that was the only bus serving the area.
 

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Tillydrone residents seemed to manage fine cramming on to the 25, during the many decades (70s/80s/90s) that was the only bus serving the area.

Times have changed, the area has expanded drastically since then with the new affordable housing developments aimed a low income families at Grandholm and Papermill. The 19 just cannot cope on it's own on a 15 minute frequency. Not to mention in the case of the 1 removing the 18 is only going to put more pressure on the already busy King Street corridor.

Even now with 8 buses per hour (8, 18 & 19 combined) the 18 is normally full going through there.
 

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Times have changed, the area has expanded drastically since then with the new affordable housing developments aimed a low income families at Grandholm and Papermill. The 19 just cannot cope on it's own on a 15 minute frequency. Not to mention in the case of the 1 removing the 18 is only going to put more pressure on the already busy King Street corridor.

Even now with 8 buses per hour (8, 18 & 19 combined) the 18 is normally full going through there.
So, if the 18 is normally full, then they’re already having to cram on to the 19. Unless the hourly 8 is a deal breaker?
I don’t doubt the area will have changed, but car ownership will also be significantly higher, so there will be pros/cons regarding potential bus ridership.
I’m not condoning the withdrawal of the current 18, as it’s a long time since I lived in the area, but it is often easy to forget how parts of towns/cities used to be adequately served in the not too distant past!
 

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So, if the 18 is normally full, then they’re already having to cram on to the 19. Unless the hourly 8 is a deal breaker?
I don’t doubt the area will have changed, but car ownership will also be significantly higher, so there will be pros/cons regarding potential bus ridership.
I’m not condoning the withdrawal of the current 18, as it’s a long time since I lived in the area, but it is often easy to forget how parts of towns/cities used to be adequately served in the not too distant past!

I totally understand what you're saying, however i'm sure that you can agree with me that different areas change and adapt in different ways. It's the most deprived area of Aberdeen and car ownership is still very low, bus use in Tillydrone has increased in recent years. The 8 going wouldn't make a huge difference to Tillydrone as it typically comes right behind a 18 or 19, the issue there is Whitestripes loosing it's bus service. The 18 and 19 cope fine just now, however if the 18 were removed the 19 wouldn't be able to cope with the increased passenger numbers. Cutting both the 8 and 18 would be halving the bus service from 8ph to 4ph, keep in mind it's already been cut from 10ph in 2017. The only reason the 18 is going back to serving Gt Northern Road is because they want to send the X27 via Hilton Drive. So the 18 would maintain a 10 minute frequency through Woodside with the 17, again another cut as it's currently a 7/8 minute frequency.

The bus services along the Woodside and Tillydrone corridors are in dire need of a revamp as they're poorly distributed with the main services to Dyce either wasting time going round Newhills or taking the long diversion via Tillydrone, Danestone & Muggiemoss, while services to Tillydrone are inconsistent.

Using the same number of buses as present you could revamp the services with more consistent frequencies and faster journey times. I have listed "my proposal" for Tillydrone and Woodside services in the quote below.

Service 1: Every 2nd bus (half hourly) terminates at Braehead
8: Axed
8A: Increased to operate all day hourly.
NEW 16: Redmoss - City - Woodside - Bucksburn - Bankhead - Dyce
17: Faulds Gate - City - Woodside - Bucksburn - Newhills | Dyce extension replaced by new 16
18: Culter - City - Tillydrone - Danestone - Muggiemoss | Southern terminus changed to Culter, Cove end replaced by 16
19: Culter - City - Hayton - Tillydrone - Papermill
X27: Axed

The bus saved from the 1 would be used to operate the 8A
Service 8A would operate hourly interworking with the 1B at Dubford to allow driver change over in town.

Service 16 would operate every 15 minutes, every 2nd bus (half hourly) would extend to Cove along the current 18 route.
Service 17 operates every 15 minutes as present.
Service 16/17 provide a 7/8 minute frequency between Provost Watt Drive and Auchmill Road.

Service 18 operates every 20 minutes Culter to Muggiemoss with an hourly extension to Dyce to maintain the BOD to Dyce link. In addition to this the 18 would now serve the upper half of Danestone to make up for the reduction on the 1.
Service 19 operates every 20 minutes Culter to Tillydrone with an hourly extension to Dubford replacing the 8.
Dyce and Dubford extensions would be numbered 18A & 19A.
Services 18/18A/19/19A provide a 10 minute frequency from Culter to Tillydrone.

16/17 would be operated by Enviro300s, 18/19 would be operated by the new Streetdecks topped up with Geminis.

As mentioned already this idea would have the same PVR (if not 1 or 2 less) than present while offering a better more consistent distribution of services
 

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69282 is now prepped to head south for repaint.

Interesting to note that the most recent repaints are gaining Wright wings and green painted axles done at King Street, although as seems always both 69284 and 69290 are yet to receive new vinyls! It's shame they couldn't paint the whole wheel green.
 

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Service 8 update from the fantastic "Buses For Dubford" Facebook page.

***NUMBER 8 UPDATE***

We posted on Friday that First Aberdeen have announced that they have already begun the legal consultation window with Aberdeen City Council on withdrawing completely the number 8 service and reducing the N1 night bus service to Dubford. They are inviting members of the public to submit their views on the changes via Survey Monkey.

WHAT HAPPENS NEXT?

You as members of the public can let First know your thoughts, alternative suggestions and the impact on you via the link below.

https://www.surveymonkey.co.uk/r/FirstAberdeenNetworkPropos…

The survey closes at 9pm on Friday so there isn't much time to respond. First Aberdeen will then receive the feedback from Survey Monkey for Monday 2nd September before deciding to submit the proposals as planned or make any changes. Legally First Aberdeen must submit there documents applying to remove the survey to the Scottish Traffic Commissioner by close of play on Friday 13th September for the service to stop.

SO FIRST ABERDEEN MAY CHANGE THEIR MIND?

We were in contact with First Aberdeen management this morning. Despite the overwhelming negative feedback about the withdrawal of the service over the weekend they reiterated that they still plan to proceed with change.

WILL MY FEEDBACK ON SURVEY MONKEY FORCE FIRST TO CHANGE THEIR PLANS?

If your feedback tugged the moral conscience of First Aberdeen management they would require the Network Manager to create new plans to comply with the legal timescales involved. The earliest they would get the feedback is the 2nd September. So the Network Manager would have to start a major piece of work creating new route documents. The Network Manager goes on holiday from the 2nd September. Draw your own conclusions.

WILL ABERDEEN CITY COUNCIL STEP IN AND PROVIDE COUNCIL SUBSIDY TO FIRST TO KEEP THE SERVICE GOING?

We spoke with Aberdeen City Council Public Transport Unit today. First are in legal consultation with them and the department are currently writing their official response to the proposal. At this stage they are not considering offering any bus operator subsidy as they feel the route 8 passengers could use the 1, 2 or 1B instead.

SO THERE IS NOTHING WE CAN DO TO STOP THE SERVICE ENDING?

It would seem likely that no matter what reaction there is, First Aberdeen will go ahead with the proposal with the last day of the 8 being Saturday 26th October.

However, once First submit their plans to withdrawn the service there are three options.

Option 1: Convince Stagecoach North Scotland to step in and fill the gap with their own service. We have spoken with Stagecoach management today and have been very encouraged by their initial response. Like everyone they are waiting to see if First submit the change in the next three weeks. We believe extending the Kingswells 14 service from Broad St to Dubford would be an ideal replacement.

Option 2: Convince Aberdeen City Council to provide funding for an alternative service. In Kingswells it took a year for the council to create a credible alternative when First withdrew buses there. The forthcoming bi-election in the Bridge of Don will mean political parties will be keen to help find a solution but it wont be quick and finding the money is a challenge.

Option 3: Convince First Aberdeen to adapt other bus services to fill some of the gaps left by the 8. We have already submitted our own alternatives to First Aberdeen which they are considering. We hope to have a response by the end of the week.

WHAT CAN I DO IN THE MEANTIME?

Complete the Survey Monkey Feedback.

https://www.surveymonkey.co.uk/r/FirstAberdeenNetworkPropos…

Want to let First management know your thoughts now? Tell their boss. Andrew Jarvis is the Managing Director of First Aberdeen. He works from Glasgow.

[email protected]

Or better still his bosses boss. Giles Fearnley is the CEO of First Bus.

[email protected]

Let Aberdeen City Council know how losing the number 8 service will impact you. Be specific about "social need". Example my children can not get to Oldmachar Academy, I can not get to the doctors/pharmacy/shops.

Email: [email protected]

Let Stagecoach know you would love to see their buses in the Bridge of Don.

Email: [email protected]

Encourage the political candidates in the Bridge of Don by-election to support out cause. Get in touch with them and noise them up!

Conservative: [email protected]
Labour: [email protected]
Lib Dems: [email protected]
SNP: Twitter @jessicamennie

So in short.
  • The proposed changes are pretty much set in stone.
  • Consultation was utterly pointless
  • Service 8 is going to be withdrawn no matter what.
  • Council are not considering subsidising the service.
  • Stagecoach are showing interest (Although it probably won't come to much)
 

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WELL if there wasn't any bad blood in the city this will centerly create a lot. I think we really are reaching a point First will need to sale up in scotland if this is the way its going to carry on.
 

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Latest from the Buses For Dubford facebook page regarding the withdrawal of the 8.

AN OPEN LETTER TO ANDREW JARVIS
REGARDING SERVICE 8

Dear Mr Jarvis,

We are not contacting you to tell you about how important the number 8 bus service is to the community. I know you have had plenty of feedback directly and through SurveyMonkey to illustrate that.

We are not contacting you to convince you the number 8 is profitable. Only you have access to the passenger data and you are clear on its viability.

Why we are contacting you is that our group has been making representations to your company since 2016 to give feedback to improve the 8 service. When it replaced the no 4 that year we were clear the route and timetable of the 8 was wrong. The team in place then disagreed. In 2017 we contacted David Phillips to argue the 8 should be extended to the then forthcoming Bridge of Don Retail Park. Mr Phillips chose not to extend it. The retail park is now thriving with M&S and Homebargains at the centre of it, the car park is at capacity at weekends, but two years on we still do not have a bus service to it. In April 2018 we met with your Aberdeen leadership team and gave numerous examples of how the bus links the number 8 serves could be better served by cost neutral changes to the route which could more make it more viable. We were encouraged by your Network Managers enthusiasm for our proposals but ultimately disappointed when your Aberdeen team decided not to progress with these changes as they “were generally happy with the performance of the network”. In December 2018 we again met with your Aberdeen team and again put forward the case that the 8 need changes to make it more viable. Whilst we were happy that your team agreed to change the other Dubford service back to the route we had argued it should take ten months earlier we were again frustrated that it took to July 2019 for your team to accept the 8 timetable was badly timed with the 1B and should be changed. Yet our shortlived delight was cut short just weeks later when you announced the service would be withdrawn before the changes could be implemented.

In short, your team picked the route and timetable. We told you it was wrong. Your team declined to implement any of the changes the community have suggested or give any reason why they couldn’t be implemented. We were not arguing for extra buses or drivers. Just the same resource you have now, better used to everyone’s benefit.

We were clear in April 2018 that any further attempt to reduce or withdraw the 8 without exploring our enhancements would be met with opposition from the community a point that was accepted by your team at the time. We are disappointed your company has chosen to ignore our help and support to grow the service.

The timing of the 8 withdrawal could not be worse. You admit that passenger numbers on the 8 have increased. The reduction of the 1 service in the southern part of Danestone from every 15 minutes to every 30 minutes on Monday will no doubt increase its passenger numbers further. The removal of the 18 service from Danestone, Grandolm and Tillydrone will likely see a massive increase in use in those areas. Currently the 18 serves the same route as the 8 here, but often runs wastefully just a few minutes in front. Some of those 18 buses have standing passengers. Where will they go now? Your 1 and 19 services do not replicate most its links. The closure of Union Terrace for two years shortly will mean the 8 would have been the only bus link to ARI from Union St area as the 3 and Stagecoach 59 routes will be diverted away under the Denburn. Another potential opportunity to grow. Scotia Homes are advanced in the building of the next phase of homes at Shielhill and Cala at Grandhome both on the 8 routes. Coupled with the removal of the 18 from Mugiemoss it seems strange for the future growth of the business that you would reduce or stop running buses to the only parts of Aberdeen where large scale housebuilding is active?

We are also puzzled by your continuing commitment to the X27 service. If the 8 is under used and not sustainable where you have two buses running a service with up to 30 passengers, how is it viable to invest so heavily in a service that has five buses running with passenger number of up to seven but very often no one at all. The X27 (as the 16) started the same day as the 8 service yet the 8 has not enjoyed the leaflet drops, fare promotions, advertising it has. The 8 has always better performed with a lower cost than that service so we would like to see the same commitment given to the 8 service. We accept TECA has just opened but as the AECC at Bridge of Don you cut services from six buses and hour to two as the site wasn’t viable yet expect TECA to be viable with ten buses an hour? If the X27 is sustainable to continue then the 8 must also be.

We believe that if the 8 service is adapted to run the route and times that suit the community it would be a great success for your company preventing travel poverty from being experienced across what is often described as Europe’s biggest suburb.

We have already been in contact with your Network Manager with a number of proposals that could short term maintain links. As your Network Manager is on holiday you will not be able to progress these before within the legal timeframes necessary to commit these service changes on 27th October. Over a 1,000 passengers have committed time to giving feedback on these changes in the belief there feedback could shape these proposals better around there needs. It would be wrong to deny them the chance to enhance these services because you do not have the personnel in place to implement these.

Therefore our proposal would be:

• Withdraw plans to submit a service cancellation for the 8 to the Traffic Commissioner next week.
• Submit a short notice registration amending the route of the 8 to improve its performance in the short term as follows:
• Change the route of the 8 to extend the full length of Union St from Bridge St junction and access Westburn Drive via Holburn Junction and Argyl Place. This would allow the 8 to serve the busier stops on Union St and encourage additional footfall whilst the journey time would be the same as at present. The request for a service the full length of Union St to be reinstated has long been made by the Dubford community since it was withdrawn last year.
• Loop the 8 from ARI bus port to return via Foresterhill Road, Westburn Road, Camperdown Road rather than double back on itself. That’s a major factor in passengers choosing other services from ARI to the City Centre rather than the 8. It also gives better and faster links for 8 passengers to Royal Aberdeen Childrens Hospital and Foresterhill Health Clinic. Links withdrawn by your company in 2016.
• Extend the 1218 and 1318 departures from ARI from Dubford to loop Bridge of Don Retail Park via Denmore Rd, Parkway and Ellon Road. There is sufficient time in the layover at Dubford for this to happen. Reducing the journey time by implementing the change of loop at ARI could allow more journeys to serve the retail park. This would increase usage within the Bridge of Don.
• Change the 8 on Union St to serve the 1&2 bus stops for Bridge of Don rather than the 13 Seaton bus stop. This is why the northbound service is less used than the ARI bound buses and was always a very odd decision. Retain the service at the Adelphi stop though.
• These changes should significantly enhance the passenger numbers of the 8 and allow time for proper dialogue between the community and your network team to devise a better and more viable service to implement from your next batch of changes due in late January 2020.

I must remind you that as a leap of faith we decided against taking our concerns about serious performance issues with the 8 service in 2017 and 2018 and ongoing issues with the N1 service to the Traffic Commissioner to work with you to improve the service. Please return that respect by considering our proposal above.

https://www.facebook.com/busesfordubford/posts/2669696159736918
 

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Updated fleet list for the period up to September 2019.

Fleet Changes include.
  • 10170: Reinstated following almost 2 years SORN
  • 20021: Fully Repainted into First Aberdeen Coach Hire '2018 livery' & Refurbished
  • 20300: Reregistered to MXZ 7658
  • 20301: Reregistered to MXZ 7664
  • 20302: Reregistered to MXZ 7673
  • 20307: Repainted into First Aberdeen Coach Hire '2018 livery' & Reregistered to MXZ 7674
  • 20806: Joined fleet from Reading, Repainted into First Aberdeen Coach Hire '2018 livery' and part refurbished by Caledonia
  • 20807: Joined fleet from Reading, Repainted into First Aberdeen Coach Hire '2018 livery' and part refurbished by Caledonia
  • 23306: Repainted into First Aberdeen Coach Hire '2018 livery'
  • 23307: Repainted into First Aberdeen Coach Hire '2018 livery' & Reregistered to MXZ 7642
  • 23314: Repainted into First Aberdeen Coach Hire '2018 livery' & Reregistered to MXZ 7630
  • 23330: Repainted into First Aberdeen Coach Hire '2018 livery'
  • 33993: Loaned from First Glasgow for Offshore Europe 2019 shuttles
  • 34361: Loaned from First Glasgow for Offshore Europe 2019 shuttles
  • 34362: Loaned from First Glasgow for Offshore Europe 2019 shuttles
  • 39301: Loaned from First Scotland East for Offshore Europe 2019 shuttles
  • 39305: Loaned from First Scotland East for Offshore Europe 2019 shuttles
  • 69282: Repaint from Midland Bluebird to First Abdn Green variation of Urban Livery
  • 69284: Repaint from Midland Bluebird to First Abdn Green variation of Urban Livery
  • Other: Plaxton Elite SC15 ZND on loan for Offshore Europe 2019 shuttles
  • Other: Many vehicles in the fleet gained partial repaints in August to hide signs of scabby paint and RTC repairs.
  • Other: New Green style fare branding introduced on all buses
 

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As noted in my last post 10170 has been reinstated, she finally entered service today on the 2.
 

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As reported by the Evening Express First have updated us regarding the Aberdeen changes.

Service 3/3A
First still plan to press ahead with the proposed 3A, which will involve the 3G getting axed. Evening services will be improved with the 3/3A operating hourly each (half hourly combined) giving Charleston Road North a evening service for the first time. Sunday & Bank Holday Services will remain at present.

Service 8/8A
Service 8 will be saved, however the offpeak timetable will be reduced with 2-3 hour gaps. No change to the 8A

Service 18
Following backlash an hourly extension of the 18 to Cove will be maintained to retain links to Kincorth, additionally a new hourly extension numbered 18A will operate to the new Lidl store on Wellington road. Danestone/Tillydrone links are still lost.

Services 11/12/17/17A/172/20/23/X27/117
No comment has been made, so the proposed changes will still go ahead.
  • Service 11: Reduced to Every 20 Minutes
  • Service 12: Minor Timetable Changes
  • Service 17/17A/172: Reduced to Every 20 Minutes
  • Service 20: Reduced to Hourly when University is closed
  • Service 23: Minor Timetable Changes
  • Service X27: Reduced to Every 20 Minutes, rerouted via Holburn Junction & Hilton on a limited stop basis. Will now operate to Aberdeen Heliport before Dyce Railway Station. Service extended to serve Kirkhill Industrial Estate replacing Service 117.
  • Service 117: Axed and replaced by extended/rerouted X27
It should be noted that these changes are yet to be finalised and First are still considering the responses from the Public.

Full Article.
Council claims under-threat Aberdeen bus service has been saved

An under-threat bus service has been saved, Aberdeen City Council has claimed.

First Aberdeen is considering changing 10 routes – including axing some in part or totally – as of October 27.

More than 1,500 people wrote to the firm with their views and councillors voiced their concerns.

Now, a senior council transport officer has written to councillors.

The letter said: “First is now providing amended proposals in response to this feedback.

“The full timetables now will be assessed before final comments are provided to First.”

One of the most unpopular suggestions was axing the 8 and 8A services between Dubford and the city centre via Aberdeen Royal Infirmary, Danestone, Tillydrone and Aberdeen University.

The letter said: “It is no longer proposed for withdrawal, with services to be maintained on a largely hourly frequency.

“There will be two instances of a two-hour gap between services from Dubford to ARI and one instance of a three-hour gap between services from ARI to Dubford during the afternoon off-peak, but peak-time services are proposed to be largely maintained at their existing level.”

Related to service 3 and 3A, which runs from Mastrick to Cove, the letter said: “Following concerns that the parts of Cove were proposed to have evening services withdrawn, First proposes to extend the operating times of the services to the area, which will provide an evening service from Monday to Saturday.

“The service 3 will serve Loirston Road and Cove Road and the service 3A will serve Loirston Road and Earns Heugh Road before both services will depart Cove on the 3A route via Cove Road and Charleston Road and serving the remainder of the route to Mastrick via the city centre and ARI.

“Both services will operate to an hourly frequency in Cove providing a half-hourly service on the common sections of the route.


“First have advised it will not be possible to provide this service on Sundays and bank holidays.”

According to the letter, another route First changed its proposals for was the 18 service between Charleston and Danestone.

It said: “Following concerns off-peak links were proposed for withdrawal between Charleston and Kincorth, First proposes to maintain an hourly service from Monday to Friday between these areas on the 18 route.

“This represents a reduction from the existing 20-minute frequency but will maintain a link allowing passengers to access shared services between the areas.

“It is also proposed an additional hourly service on the 18 route will be renumbered as the service 18A and will be extended from Redmoss to terminate at Lidl on Wellington Road, providing passengers travelling from Kincorth with a more convenient and direct route to a supermarket than is available on existing services.”

First’s operations director David Phillips said the firm was still considering consultation responses.
https://www.eveningexpress.co.uk/fp/uncategorized/under-threat-service-saved-claims-council/
 

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69282 has now returned from repaint with 69254 next to go.

Andrew Jarvis stated last week in the evening express that the new Wright Streetdeck FCEV's will be "operating by November". The council are holding a Hydrogen event next month so it's suspected one of the new vehicles may be there. If all 15 will be delivered and in service for November is up to debate as Jarvis has been very care to keep the details to a minimum, it is entirely possible one may arrive in the next few weeks for road testing and type training ahead of the others arriving at a later date, although earlier press releases from First and the council did clearly state the vehicles would be "launched this year".
 

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69282 has now returned from repaint with 69254 next to go.

Andrew Jarvis stated last week in the evening express that the new Wright Streetdeck FCEV's will be "operating by November". The council are holding a Hydrogen event next month so it's suspected one of the new vehicles may be there. If all 15 will be delivered and in service for November is up to debate as Jarvis has been very care to keep the details to a minimum, it is entirely possible one may arrive in the next few weeks for road testing and type training ahead of the others arriving at a later date, although earlier press releases from First and the council did clearly state the vehicles would be "launched this year".
Given Wrights troubles if something isn't sorted soon will it not put these hydrogen StreetDeck's in depardy?
 

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Given Wrights troubles if something isn't sorted soon will it not put these hydrogen StreetDeck's in depardy?

That's what i would've thought too. I guess it all comes down to what stages of build the vehicles are at currently, i do think if Wright go in to administration someone will come at the last minute, but there's still that risk. Quite frankly i'd much rather it were ADLs we were getting, but regardless new vehicles is better than no vehicles.
 

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