kevin_roche
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Has anyone seen any previews yet of what is planned for the timetable between Paddington and Reading in December 2019?
I imagine a lot of unhappy passengers losing their comfortable 387s for 345s with part longitudinal seating. Presumably the 345s will also have to be reduced in length as I don't think nine-cars will fit into 14 at Paddn.
Crossrail take over most of the paddington to reading routes mon - fri off peak two trains an hour pad to rdg and vice versa peak 4 trains an hour.
Sat and Sun two trains an hour between Pad and rdg and vice versa, Gwr will still operate the overnight services 0115, 0224, 0354 and 0440 off Reading and 0134 and 0334
Crossrail take over most of the paddington to reading routes mon - fri off peak two trains an hour pad to rdg and vice versa peak 4 trains an hour.
Sat and Sun two trains an hour between Pad and rdg and vice versa, Gwr will still operate the overnight services 0115, 0224, 0354 and 0440 off Reading and 0134 and 0334
I imagine a lot of unhappy passengers losing their comfortable 387s for 345s with part longitudinal seating. Presumably the 345s will also have to be reduced in length as I don't think nine-cars will fit into 14 at Paddn.
Yes, the plan is to open the Elizabeth line 'backwards'. This will help recover the severe shortfall in revenue that TfL is currently experiencing. As the plan was always 2019, TfL Rail will be taking over the London Paddington to Reading 2tph stopping service running all stations after Southall. So the trains will call at Ealing Broadway, Southall and all stations to Reading. There will be increased peak time trains to / from Maidenhead. Trains will be timetabled where possible to run into platforms 11/12 so that they can operate as 9-cars. GWR Electrostars will run into platform 14.Given the delay to Crossrail has it been confirmed that TfL Rail are actually taking over the Reading service in Dec 2019 yet?
The two trains per hour off-peak Didcot - stations to Reading - then selected stations to Paddington services will still run, operated by Class 387s as now. I have not seen any definite plans for these services during the peak hours.
Wild says Stage 5A will entail running trains to Reading, and that this will start in December this year with 6tph in the peak and 4tph off-peak. Oyster ticketing will be available for passengers. The full-length nine-car ‘345s’ will be deployed on these services, which will initially use the main line station at Paddington.
Is this true? 6tph in the peak on TFL rail to Reading.
Oyster ticketing will be available for passengers.
Is this true? 6tph in the peak on TFL rail to Reading.
All the X Rail trains at Reading use #14, all day M-F, except 1625-33; 1825-33; 1840-52; 1940-52; 2140-52; and 2310-16 which all use #13.I don't know where they're all gonna go, since there's only 2* platforms they can use at Reading.
*1 of which is shared by the XC Newcastle terminators
When will they take on the Heathrow Connect services? And extend more out of Hayes?Valid on TfL Rail only beyond West Drayton towards Reading
https://www.railforums.co.uk/thread...tensions-confirmed.177646/page-7#post-4083023
No, 4tph peak to Reading, 2tph to Hayes & Harlington
2tph to Reading off peak.
When will they take on the Heathrow Connect services? And extend more out of Hayes?
When will they take on the Heathrow Connect services? And extend more out of Hayes?
The frequencies will eventually look like this, though the services may be different since they will likely decide to avoid running trains right through from GEML to GWML and all the GWML trains will go to Abbey Wood.
This is what London Reconnections believed the expected patterns and frequencies to be:
Thank you. I knew I'd seen it somewhere but could not remember where. It make more sense to decouple the GEML and GWML services to avoid disruption.This is what London Reconnections believed the expected patterns and frequencies to be:
Reading TfL Rail trains are now on RTT, they are 2tph off peak: Ealing Broadway, Southall and then all stops. Peak service is the same pattern at 4tph with the odd couple of trains not going west of Maidenhead.
The relief line timetable won't quite be at its post-Crossrail state. A lack of space at Paddington for 2tph all day to Maidenhead (and 2tph all day to T5, though with less knock on consequences) means Didcot trains stop at West Ealing off-peak to keep up 4tph and that the peak Reading extras aren't semi-fast. But beyond that, for some unknown reason the Reading trains don't call at West Ealing, nor do the Heathrow/Hayes trains all call at Acton or Hanwell, keeping both 2tph.
That was one of the issues raised when the service pattern was first suggested - the delay minutes could be huge if you're running trains from Anglia into Western teritory (and vice versa). How do you stop the delay from snowballing...? The risks are still quite high though, in my own opinion.It make more sense to decouple the GEML and GWML services to avoid disruption.
Example, Westbound into the core: if you've got a delayed service from Shenfield / Guidea Park - how late can it be, before impacting on the following service from Abbey Wood?
If the total off-peak frequency is 20 tph (every 3 minutes), presumably alternating Shenfield / Abbey Wood, it doesn't leave much room for any sort of recovery.
If it's every 2.5 minutes in the peak, it's likely to get even worse.
Thanks Kevin - I wasnt overly sure on the predicted headway capability of the system.The CBTC signalling is supposed to be able to handle 30tph which is a 2 minute separation. So, in theory a train being 30 seconds late at peak times or 1 minute late at off peak should not cause any problem.
The close headway testing which is being done might mean the system should be able to handle closer separations.
I would expect that any later than 2 minutes, the trains will have to be re-ordered. In that case there may be knock on effect. It would be interesting to know what the plans are for handling longer delays.
I believe most terminators will extend to Old Oak Common, which will have four platforms on the reliefs, and two reversing sidings beyond the station. The details are in one of the HS2 amendment packages.Also is there a chance we'd see trains coming from the East terminating at Old Oak common once built as opposed to Paddington low level or will be crossrail platforms be shared with GWML stopping services so couldn't deal with all the extra trains?