DaStripedCgull
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A lot of ticket inspectors i have talk too have complained that the 385s are also a bit narrow.
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Doesn't matter that the seats are ridiculously low compared to the windows on a 318 because the windows are always so dirty that you can't see out of them anyway.
I was on a day trip with an average punter (my wife) and we travelled on a 318 , 320 , 380 and 385. She said the 385 was the worst .
To be honest since last week, it has occured to me that the 365s may have been taken off the E&G because they were showing the 385s up in the comfort department.
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Got to admit the windows on class 320/318s are usually fairly dirty. The 365s were fairly nice trains. Should of kept them for other routes.Doesn't matter that the seats are ridiculously low compared to the windows on a 318 because the windows are always so dirty that you can't see out of them anyway.
I was on a day trip with an average punter (my wife) and we travelled on a 318 , 320 , 380 and 385. She said the 385 was the worst .
To be honest since last week, it has occured to me that the 365s may have been taken off the E&G because they were showing the 385s up in the comfort department.
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That's an interesting Idea, the 385s are nice in the sense they're new, but honestly 365s were very nice. The fact the guard must be at the rear door to open the doors was also fortunate on occasion (especially a day when I'd forgotten my wallet!). But they really aren't suited for the sort of service ScotRail need, and unfortunately, the trains I see will continue to be the same mix of 3 car 385s, and rusty roofed first HSTs.
I have to admit, that have travelled quite frequently by train lately, and I have found the vast majority of the Classes quite dirty.
318 when based on Ayrshire routes always ended up each night at Corkerhill or Townhead, with the exception of the 3 units that finished at Shields for exams. The 318 on the outside as well as inside were generally clean each day.
Over the last few weeks have travelled in 156/318/320/380/385
385 as new were relatively clean, the 380s were awful, and look like the need a refurb, ripped cloth on seats etc
Nothing was as bad as the ex Scotrail 170 units operating for Northern. They were disgusting!!!!
Sorry if slightly off topic
My understanding is that an extra 10 will automatically be obtained if Abellio's franchise is confirmed as extended. Whether the extension is a given is a different kettle of fish, of course.
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What 385 unit was it meant to be?
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Any sighting of 385102 in service yet?
There are only 3 3-car sets to be delivered, I believe. I suspect that their present allocations will remain until the second phase of platform lengthening at QS is complete (starts Monday, takes four weeks). Then the remaining E-G sets will move to 8 coaches.
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There could be a chance of the E-G via Falkirk High all becoming 8 car when the new timetable comes out.
I was initially impressed with the 385 bar some minor points like small bins. But now they are losing the new feel I am concerned they are not very well put together. On one typing this. Lot of rattles and vibrations. Doors between first and stained rattling away. Flimsy and loose. Overhead shelf rattles . And like all scotrail trains. Poorly cleaned.
Great shame. A lot was riding on these trains for Abellio. With the HST fiasco. Scotland’s best ever railway is looking like a forlorn boast !
Great shame. A lot was riding on these trains for Abellio. With the HST fiasco. Scotland’s best ever railway is looking like a forlorn boast !
Not excusing the rattles; but, you’d have been hard places not to find similar on the Turbostars. It’s be interesting to see if the issue is worse on units assembled in different places,or, if it’s a universal problem.
I’ve had 385 115 and 123 on E&G recently and 033 down to Inverclyde the other day - they did seem fine… Much better than the 380 I got back from a Inverclyde which was looking slightly tatty (refurb can’t be that far off for some of them).
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I had a few trips recently on a few of the Class and found them to be okay, the only niggle was WiFi was working but not connecting to the internet.
They definitely need 6 cars nowadays on the North Berwicks which is a increase on the 4 cars I used to use.
They definitely need 6 cars nowadays on the North Berwicks which is a increase on the 4 cars I used to use.
hexagon789
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The 385s are definitely far, far quieter and I haven't yet had a rattly one(!), but I didn't find them as smooth - they seemed to pick up all the bumps and rough spots on the track and transmit that to the vehicle.
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Not my experience, unless the Edinburgh to Dunbar and North Berwick routes are maintained to a higher degree then your routes?
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I was sitting next to the gangway door of car 2 yesterday while travelling from Edinburgh to Glasgow, and it was an absurdly bumpy ride. The bottle of water I had literally jumped off the tray twice and fell onto the floor. Thankfully the cap was on both times, but I ended up holding onto it for the rest of the journey after that. I know that I was sitting in the least stable part of the car, and that the middle is smoother, but this was ridiculous. Reminded me of the Glasgow subway at parts. Is that the 385 at fault, or poorly maintained points? I don't remember ever feeling such an unstable ride on the 170s.
The train was also absolutely filthy, but with so much football supporter traffic, and it being Saturday, I figured that this is more of a problem of passengers having no respect for their surroundings than anything else.
The train was also absolutely filthy, but with so much football supporter traffic, and it being Saturday, I figured that this is more of a problem of passengers having no respect for their surroundings than anything else.
hexagon789
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The routes I've travelled on 385s are Glasgow-Edinburgh via Falkirk High and the Shotts line. Much rougher than a 170 at 100mph on the former and 156s and especially 158s were smoother than the 385s on the latter.
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The above mentioned routes other than the Drem to North Berwick section will be maintained to Inter City standards I would imagine being part of the East Coast Main line
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They definitely ride rougher than a 170, they also rattle as much too which is strange considering they lack diesel engines.
The blinds in first are almost useless.
I've noticed a number with malfunctioning doors from first into standard.
They also do seem to be getting very dirty of late.
The blinds in first are almost useless.
I've noticed a number with malfunctioning doors from first into standard.
They also do seem to be getting very dirty of late.
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Is it a case of the 385's directly replacing the remaining 318/320 diagrams on the Lanark/Gourock/Wemyss Bay lines, or do these diagrams also cover other lines for which the 385's are not cleared for?
I'm guessing that there may be some diagram changes with the December timetable changes to allow the replacement of the remaining 314's, whether that be by 318/320/385's.
I'm guessing that there may be some diagram changes with the December timetable changes to allow the replacement of the remaining 314's, whether that be by 318/320/385's.
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