RealTrains07
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Cause that’s cheaper than LNRIt's getting one, it is part of First-Trenitalia's franchise bid for the former VTWC service.
Cause that’s cheaper than LNRIt's getting one, it is part of First-Trenitalia's franchise bid for the former VTWC service.
For the record, I would much rather walk between Lime Street and Central than experience the same between Euston and St. Pancras.
At night it isn't pleasant. But too many people around (albeit many of them p***ed) for there to be any real danger. Drunk scousers are fine if you humour them. During the day (up to 19.00) it's better to walk straight through the Clayton Square mini-mall (immediately opposite Central station) then turn right to take the ramp which leads from Aldi up to the bus stops, Sainsbury's, and the pedestrian crossing on Lime Street.You would have made a fantastic photographer the way you enlarge everything.
Its a 5 minute walk from Central station to Lime street, you cross Ranelagh street then along to Great Charlotte street then over Lime street to the station. Its a very well trodden walk and none of anything you mentioned at all!
So is it likely that LNW will keep this as a through service or revert back ? They must be aware of problems.
seems like they are going to keep it this way. It hasn’t got complaints compared to Rugeley to Euston via Birmingham has. No MPs or local residents involved as far as I know.
Yeah understand you, I was just picking up someone at Runcorn who had got off a Delhi flight at Birmingham, so not having to change at New Street with luggage is a bonus.
That’s not enough compared to Rugeley ones not being terminating on time. If MPs gets involved and press meetings takes place then off course something will be done .It certainly has got complaints from us on the south WCML as it's messed up what was a very reliable service into one that simply can't be relied on in any form.
Don't speak to me like that.
FYI I last did the walk last night at 9pm.
I was accosted for change before I even descended the steps at Lime Street (and verbally abused for ignoring), crossed the road to Sainsbury's, walked past the smelly bus stops where more down and outs were hanging around, round the bend to see two people dossing in sleeping bags in an alcove (again the place smelling of pee), again asked for money by other tramps/alkies/druggies, walked past the entrance to a car park where there were three such individuals engaged in furtive meeting, one of who glowered at me making it clear I'm to carry on walking. Past the various pubs of inequity containing various middle aged/old men crooning their addled hearts out (into the street), finally crossing the street to central, past two final down and outs (and amid a cacophany of druggie shouting coming from further down the street at the Church Street intersection).
Rancid, is what I'd call that, and embarrassed is what you should be.
There's no way I'd suggest anyone walk that route, if they had a choice. And if it was an old person I would actually tell them not to, whether that offends your inverse snobbery or not.
Concentrate your anger on those who have the power to clean your city up, not someone who simply has eyes, ears and a working sense of smell.
That would be an idea, they'd have to make it all the way to Liverpool first though. Ha ha.
I guess crewing issues could come in to it but I would say the fact it is a four hour journey from Euston to Lime Street stopping at some ridiculous places like Canley. Why does it stop at Canley and not West Allerton or Mossley Hill. (I'm not seriously asking for it to stop at those stations of course. Ha ha).
Don't speak to me like that.
FYI I last did the walk last night at 9pm.
Is it a bit rough? Yes. Are you going to get (...) shot (...)? Almost certainly not.
X Country use New st to make time up for late trains if on time they can sit at a platform for 15 mins
Yeah. I remember walking with my Dad from Glasgow Central to Queen Street at approximately 10.30pm one Saturday when I was 12. That opened my eyes to all sorts of things.Regarding the stroll from Central to Lime Street it certainly isn't the most pleasant in the world but I have had equally bad if not worse in London, Manchester, Birmingham, Leeds, Glasgow etc.
Yeah. I remember walking with my Dad from Glasgow Central to Queen Street at approximately 10.30pm one Saturday when I was 12. That opened my eyes to all sorts of things.
Not as much fun as being flashed by a hen party in the middle of Glasgow on a Friday afternoon though! Another memory/reminiscence prompted... I must be getting old...Yeah. I remember walking with my Dad from Glasgow Central to Queen Street at approximately 10.30pm one Saturday when I was 12. That opened my eyes to all sorts of things.
https://bustimes.org/services/398-glasgow-inter-station-serviceHow late do the shuttle buses run between the two?
Not as much fun as being flashed by a hen party in the middle of Glasgow on a Friday afternoon though! Another memory/reminiscence prompted... I must be getting old...
I did the same change a few months ago and walking was quicker for me anyway. And to be honest the type of people who use that bus probably aren’t in central Glasgow at 10.30pm anyway.Oh that's a shame. Can't expect a 24 hour service though.
Regarding the stroll from Central to Lime Street it certainly isn't the most pleasant in the world but I have had equally bad if not worse in London, Manchester, Birmingham, Leeds, Glasgow etc.
Ranelagh Street McDonalds is somewhat akin to the Wild West at certain times but I wouldn't call the general area particularly threatening.
Oh for the good old days of the 24/7 cafe and San San Chinese, both traincrew staples and now just a memory. 5am in the 24/7 cafe attracted every type of person in the world.
It stops at Canley because the Virgin and Crosscountry services don't! Back in May a lot of services from Euston used to terminate at New Street, now they carry onto Rugeley and Lime Street. It's joined up 2 long distance but still predominantly 'local' services.
Through trains - recipe for disaster if not thought out through properly. Look at the Rugeley's, always terminating early at hednesford. The Liverpool's suffer the same as you've alluded to above. The new Leamington - Nuneaton through service now suffers delays where the old shuttle didn't.
It might benefit a handful of passengers to have through services, but it inconveniences the many when they're late or terminated early. In my opinion, there's too many people interfering with the railway trying to score points. These joined up services might look good in the papers but they've caused a downturn in reliability. On all routes.
Doesn't help that morale is low and WMT finds themselves short of staff daily.
However, as with every wonderful theoretical solution it fails miserably when it meets the cold hard truth of reality. Minor delays in one part of the network previously would easily have been compensated for at the following turnaround, insteead they snowball and cause knock-on effects across the entire network. To have made the mistake once, is an error. To make the same mistake again seems to me to be inexcuseable.
London has the same problem (hello Thameslink). Great in practice, horrible to resolve in disruption. To me cutting out New St seems like an ideological move, rather than anything operational. Sure it could get a bit confusing at times, but broadly the permissive working was just fine a few years back when I was commuting that way.
London has the same problem (hello Thameslink). Great in practice, horrible to resolve in disruption. To me cutting out New St seems like an ideological move, rather than anything operational. Sure it could get a bit confusing at times, but broadly the permissive working was just fine a few years back when I was commuting that way.
Does TL have the same level of interworking between the branches? I thought they were much simpler diagrams, which even with the long through services and congested centre must make it easier to unpick problems.
IOW, the problem is less that there are through services and more that units and crews are coming and going to all sorts of destinations so you can't simply bring everything back on time by cancelling a round trip and stepping up.