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The city of London may well generate a good proportion of the wealth of the UK, but I wonder where it would get its water, gas and electricity from as an independent state?
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the city of London is a very interesting and unique setup , l like to compare it to the Vatican City in many ways
Esker-pades
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She was re-elected by her constituents.
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Apparently she's an excellent constituency MP.
EM2
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With a 33,000 majority.
All I can say to all 3 of these replies is “ wow “ and labour Is truly out of the game for 10+ years easy
It probably is, but Diane Abbott winning in Hackney is neither here nor there in that equation. She is of course totally unsuitable for high office, but that does not mean she can’t do a good job in her local constituency.
Quite possibly, although I would say hackney is perfect territory for momentum and Corbyn lovers , young well off middle class rebelling against mummy and daddy.
bramling
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Absolutely - that sums it up perfectly. The fact that Abbott is seemingly the best Hackney can dredge up to represent itself speaks volumes for London's current plight.
Grumpy Git
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Much as I cant stand her, Diane Abbott clearly isn't thick as she attended Cambridge University.
No mean feat as she comes from a working class Jamaican family.
I'd say her polar opposite in the HoC is Marc Francois.
No mean feat as she comes from a working class Jamaican family.
I'd say her polar opposite in the HoC is Marc Francois.
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Is it because she is good at her job or because its a safe seat ?
EM2
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She's been MP there since 1987, and I can tell you that Hackney was nothing like that then.
Perhaps both? What she isn’t good at is being a public spokesperson for the Labour Party. They probably ought to give her a permanent break from BBCQT etc!
Water - from where it gets it now, the Thames and various boreholes within Greater London.
Gas - where the rest of the country gets it from, mostly from the EU, Norway and Qatar.
Electircity - where it gets it from now, the London Array, France, Belgium, Holland and other parts of the Grid.
A party wishing to keep an MP tends to put them in a safe seat. I don't know Hackney but I looked at the numbers and its a huge margin. My seat is a pretty safe Conservative seat with a 15k margin. They could put Thomas the Tank Engine as their candidate and because he is blue, he would still storm home.
There is a reason why they only seem to campaign in marginal seats. Same with the 'tactical voting' its done where the margins are so tight that you can flip an MP. I do wonder if she was put in a marginal seat or where she needed to compete to get selected; she would actually survive. Jeremy protects her.
As I don't live in her constituency I can't state either way if she is actually a good MP for them or not. My constituency was flipped from Red to Blue some time ago and I think (or at least hope) that its blue because the MP does a semi decent job. I checked his voting record and it reflects the community. I have checked where he stands on some issues and it also reflects the local community.
Not to bring up the 'B' word but I saw quite a few MPs who voted against what their constituency voted. I hope that she does represent her constituency. Personally, I despise her.
Disclaimer : I don't vote Labour and never will (personal reasons) but they truly need to move away from Corbyn and Momentum.
I had a conversation some months ago about JC and stated, categorically, that I don't think he is electable; a view espoused by many others. But the Labour supporter still exalted his 'virtues' and stated that he is there because the party members support him.
With Labour, I find it weird that the more left they go, the more un-electable they are. They are a party of the left so its easy to see why Momentum has been so successful. Sadly, the modern world is very 'centrist' in its views, for the most part. Which is why they need to move back towards a more 'center left' stance and accept that a more 'Blairite' position is what makes them electable.
Corbyn is an idiot. Which made matters worse. Even if he didn't have Momentum behind him, he is still an un-electable idiot.
Personally, the only Labour MP, and one of a few MPs I actually respect, is Lisa Nandy. I don't think she would be a good leader but I think she is a brilliant MP. Cute too.
There is a reason why they only seem to campaign in marginal seats. Same with the 'tactical voting' its done where the margins are so tight that you can flip an MP. I do wonder if she was put in a marginal seat or where she needed to compete to get selected; she would actually survive. Jeremy protects her.
As I don't live in her constituency I can't state either way if she is actually a good MP for them or not. My constituency was flipped from Red to Blue some time ago and I think (or at least hope) that its blue because the MP does a semi decent job. I checked his voting record and it reflects the community. I have checked where he stands on some issues and it also reflects the local community.
Not to bring up the 'B' word but I saw quite a few MPs who voted against what their constituency voted. I hope that she does represent her constituency. Personally, I despise her.
Disclaimer : I don't vote Labour and never will (personal reasons) but they truly need to move away from Corbyn and Momentum.
I had a conversation some months ago about JC and stated, categorically, that I don't think he is electable; a view espoused by many others. But the Labour supporter still exalted his 'virtues' and stated that he is there because the party members support him.
With Labour, I find it weird that the more left they go, the more un-electable they are. They are a party of the left so its easy to see why Momentum has been so successful. Sadly, the modern world is very 'centrist' in its views, for the most part. Which is why they need to move back towards a more 'center left' stance and accept that a more 'Blairite' position is what makes them electable.
Corbyn is an idiot. Which made matters worse. Even if he didn't have Momentum behind him, he is still an un-electable idiot.
Personally, the only Labour MP, and one of a few MPs I actually respect, is Lisa Nandy. I don't think she would be a good leader but I think she is a brilliant MP. Cute too.
EM2
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It wasn't always thus.
Majority in 1987 was 7,700, in 1992 10,700, it increased in almost every election until 2005 when it dropped to 7,400 and has increased again since then.
It's not like she's been parachuted into a number of different safe seats, she has remained there and improved her standing.
EM2
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And if Diane Abbott is still being slated for getting a number wrong when it comes to increase police officers, a gentle reminder that in the run-up to the 2017 election, Theresa May suggested that Conservatives could provide breakfast for all schoolchildren at a cost of 6.8p for each meal.
I have never really understood momentum, Corbyn and the position that Labour seem to be taking on the left side.
Most of not quite a large part of momentum are middle class rebelling , who have had a great education and lifestyle all being paid for via gains on the evil capitalist world , more so this could also be said about most of the labour MP’s in regards to education etc , in fact I would say their life style is more how the public view a conservative up bringing.
I think livingstone was on TV recently doing an interview in his house , what a house it was !!
surely all these communist activists ( I say that with a pinch of salt as they prefer the term democratic communist)should be giving up all their lovely homes and indeed their wages , spreading the wealth to their brother sisters in arms. ( in true communist fashion)
Most of not quite a large part of momentum are middle class rebelling , who have had a great education and lifestyle all being paid for via gains on the evil capitalist world , more so this could also be said about most of the labour MP’s in regards to education etc , in fact I would say their life style is more how the public view a conservative up bringing.
I think livingstone was on TV recently doing an interview in his house , what a house it was !!
surely all these communist activists ( I say that with a pinch of salt as they prefer the term democratic communist)should be giving up all their lovely homes and indeed their wages , spreading the wealth to their brother sisters in arms. ( in true communist fashion)
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She was elected in 1987 and the seat has been Labour since 1950. It'ss a safe seat and according to Wikkiwahwowwikkiwik* it is the 7th most safe seat in London. I reckon a fish in a dress could win for Labour.
Not to dennigrate her as I'm clearly biased, but those that say she is a good MP for her constituency, I'd like to hear some anecdotal evidence as to why.
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southern442
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Fortunately yes she should guarantee to keep the labour party in opposition which will keep the nation out of bankruptcy and sensible immigration policies in place
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This forum is strongly pro-remain, but equally strongly anti-labour... an interesting combination that in our FPTP system leaves forum members politically 'homeless'.
Exactly the sort of questions the fledgling London independence movement will need to answer.
https://www.londependence.party/
Personally I think Devo Max would be more likely
Much of the Country was in the same boat. I don’t believe much of the Country really wanted to vote Tory, but the risk of Seumas ‘Communist’ Milne becoming Prime Minister, using Corbyn as a proxy was beyond the pale. So many held their nose, gave up on stopping Brexit, and voted for Boris.
Grumpy Git
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We'll see if PM Cummings is any different?
Oh, he’ll be different to Milne alright. Whether he’s any good is another matter.
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I would suggest many are anti-Momentum & the Corbyn club, and would support "what Labour could have been" if it had not been virtually taken over by the far left.
bramling
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This may hold true in some places, however I’ve had quite a bit of feedback from places “up north” that there was an element of warmth towards Boris, as well as a positive desire for achieving Brexit. I agree that there may well have remained a latent caution towards voting Conservative, however clearly dislike of Corbyn, distrust of his incoherent Brexit policy, despair at the likes of Abbott and Lammy all won the day.
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A frustration I feel strongly. Voted in all elections since 1970, but the last time my X went to the Labour candidate was in the 1970s, owing to a combination of living in a marginal seat where the Labour sometime-MP was an absolute tosser, and a horrible bloke to boot, then moving to Cornwall where the party sometimes loses its deposit. I'm no Blairite, but even less of a Corbynite. Somebody sensible on the 'soft' left would be great, but where are they? Robin Cook's death was a sad loss for the country.
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