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Bletchleyite · 3 Apr 2020

The Ham said:
In that those who are very outgoing and like being around a lot of people will be finding it very hard, whilst those who like time to themselves may be doing better (although they could also be struggling if they can't get away from other people in that they are at home more).

That's a good point. I've had a few people say "aren't you going stir crazy on your own"? No, not really, I'm actually being quite sociable electronically, both via things like forums and via video chats. I'd far rather that than be tripping over someone else. If I'd been living with my parents (or my former housemate) for this it's near-certain there would have been many, many arguments.

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Bantamzen · 3 Apr 2020

yorksrob said:
There's nothing to stop pubs instituting similar conditions to restaurants. Many of them operate partially as restaurants anyway.

Bletchleyite said:
Indeed so, my point about pubs was more that "vertical drinking" won't be able to return for a while. It may be possible for some pubs to reopen with spaced-out tables, reservations only and table service, but some will consider that non-viable. That sort of thing will work better for country pubs than 'Spoons, even though the latter has larger pubs and table service via the app.

As it happens the day that the government ordered pubs to close, my favourite local had reconfigured it's layout to allow for more distancing. This kind of thinking could allow at least some businesses to restart sooner rather than later, and get some urgently needed revenue flowing back to the Treasury. Because believe me, tax revenue is going to be very urgently needed very soon if we don't want to end up with either disastrous debts, or hyper-inflation resulting in a loaf of bread costing a wheelbarrow full of notes.... (May include slight exaggeration)

Ianno87 · 3 Apr 2020

Bletchleyite said:
That's a good point. I've had a few people say "aren't you going stir crazy on your own"? No, not really, I'm actually being quite sociable electronically, both via things like forums and via video chats. I'd far rather that than be tripping over someone else. If I'd been living with my parents (or my former housemate) for this it's near-certain there would have been many, many arguments.

On the flip side, some people who live alone who really are finding this really difficult. Everybody is different, and has unique challenges.

My kids might be a royal pain in the arse trying to get work done, but I'm lucky to have them around.

yorksrob · 3 Apr 2020

Bantamzen said:
As it happens the day that the government ordered pubs to close, my favourite local had reconfigured it's layout to allow for more distancing. This kind of thinking could allow at least some businesses to restart sooner rather than later, and get some urgently needed revenue flowing back to the Treasury. Because believe me, tax revenue is going to be very urgently needed very soon if we don't want to end up with either disastrous debts, or hyper-inflation resulting in a loaf of bread costing a wheelbarrow full of notes.... (May include slight exaggeration)

Well, I'll be ready to do my bit !

Mag_seven · 3 Apr 2020

Bletchleyite said:
That's a good point. I've had a few people say "aren't you going stir crazy on your own"? No, not really, I'm actually being quite sociable electronically, both via things like forums and via video chats. I'd far rather that than be tripping over someone else. If I'd been living with my parents (or my former housemate) for this it's near-certain there would have been many, many arguments.

I'm in same situation as you. Really glad that for example I'm not living with hyperactive kids or people that I don't get on with. I'm now using video chats (something that I never thought I would use) and am making contact with people I've not spoken to for ages!

Meerkat · 3 Apr 2020

Jozhua said:
I believe antibody will be available for the general public in about a month or so

Surely they won’t hand out antibody tests to the general public until we are a long way down the curve? It would very quickly collapse lockdown restrictions - there are too many people not bothering already, if they know they are immune they are going to insist on doing whatever they like.
I would hope they are done in strict priority
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Bletchleyite · 3 Apr 2020

Meerkat said:
Surely they won’t hand out antibody tests to the general public until we are a long way down the curve?

I doubt they will ever "hand them out" but there's little that can be done to stop companies selling them.

Meerkat · 3 Apr 2020

Bletchleyite said:
I doubt they will ever "hand them out" but there's little that can be done to stop companies selling them.

Don’t they have to be licenced, and you could strongly encourage them being banned on the usual websites?

Kite159 · 3 Apr 2020

Have the premier League footballers agreed to a pay cut yet?

It might be legal for the likes of Spuds to put their non playing staff on furlong so the taxpayer picks up 80% of their wages, but to continue paying the millionaire players who earn more in a week than the average person earns in a year is morally wrong in my eyes.

Meerkat · 3 Apr 2020

Kite159 said:
Have the premier League footballers agreed to a pay cut yet?

It might be legal for the likes of Spuds to put their non playing staff on furlong so the taxpayer picks up 80% of their wages, but to continue paying the millionaire players who earn more in a week than the average person earns in a year is morally wrong in my eyes.

Why? Who is going to judge which companies are morally allowed to furlough? Writing those guidelines would be a nice can of worms!
The clubs could furlough the players if the season was voided

Bletchleyite · 3 Apr 2020

Meerkat said:
Don’t they have to be licenced, and you could strongly encourage them being banned on the usual websites?

You could do that but there's in practice little way to stop them being sold from abroad.

Bletchleyite · 3 Apr 2020

Meerkat said:
Why? Who is going to judge which companies are morally allowed to furlough? Writing those guidelines would be a nice can of worms!
The clubs could furlough the players if the season was voided

They could, though with the cap on the 80% that's going to be some pay cut!

Meerkat · 3 Apr 2020

Bletchleyite said:
You could do that but there's in practice little way to stop them being sold from abroad.

“So you have an unlicensed test result sir? That’s lovely for you, we don’t accept that, go home.”

Bletchleyite said:
They could, though with the cap on the 80% that's going to be some pay cut!

Where’s that really small violin?

Darandio · 3 Apr 2020

Kite159 said:
Have the premier League footballers agreed to a pay cut yet?

It might be legal for the likes of Spuds to put their non playing staff on furlong so the taxpayer picks up 80% of their wages, but to continue paying the millionaire players who earn more in a week than the average person earns in a year is morally wrong in my eyes.

The Premier League have just requested they take a 30% cut. The Premier League will also give £125m to the EFL and National League, plus £20m to the NHS.

R G NOW. · 3 Apr 2020

Will the virus get weaker through time and be less damaging to people. I only hope so because this is killing too many nice people even younger ones.

Bletchleyite · 3 Apr 2020

R G NOW. said:
Will the virus get weaker through time and be less damaging to people. I only hope so because this killing too many nice people even younger ones.

Nobody quite knows, but viruses do tend to evolve in that way because a virus that kills its host or makes them severely ill (so stay home) doesn't spread as well as one that doesn't.

R G NOW. · 3 Apr 2020

Bletchleyite said:
Nobody quite knows, but viruses do tend to evolve in that way because a virus that kills its host or makes them severely ill (so stay home) doesn't spread as well as one that doesn't.

So this is the reason for the lockdown then? Also the closing of shops and places where people go out to eat.

Bletchleyite · 3 Apr 2020

R G NOW. said:
So this is the reason for the lockdown then? Also the closing of shops and places where people go out to eat.

The reason for the lockdown is to reduce spread to the extent that the NHS can cope with the number of cases.

DarloRich · 3 Apr 2020

R G NOW. said:
Will the virus get weaker through time and be less damaging to people. I only hope so because this is killing too many nice people even younger ones.

It may get more powerful and kill more.

R G NOW. said:
So this is the reason for the lockdown then? Also the closing of shops and places where people go out to eat.

Really? You dont know the message and the reasons why?

Bletchleyite · 3 Apr 2020

DarloRich said:
It may get more powerful and kill more.

That's possible but less likely, because severely ill and dead people aren't spreading it.

R G NOW. · 3 Apr 2020

Bletchleyite said:
The reason for the lockdown is to reduce spread to the extent that the NHS can cope with the number of cases.

Why are so many ending up in hospital anyway, I thought at the start people self isolated should have reduced admissions surely.

DarloRich · 3 Apr 2020

Bletchleyite said:
That's possible but less likely, because severely ill and dead people aren't spreading it.

Agreed but we need to acknowledge that any change or mutation could be worse. It is what was is thought happened with the second and more deadly wave of the spanish flu

Bletchleyite · 3 Apr 2020

R G NOW. said:
Why are so many ending up in hospital anyway, I thought at the start people self isolated should have reduced admissions surely.

Because there is a lag of about 1-2 weeks on hospital admissions and 3-4 weeks on deaths due to the incubation period and period of illness.

Bletchleyite · 3 Apr 2020

DarloRich said:
Agreed but we need to acknowledge that any change or mutation could be worse. It is what was is thought happened with the second and more deadly wave of the spanish flu

Indeed, it is a possibility even if it is not a likelihood.

R G NOW. · 3 Apr 2020

Bletchleyite said:
Because there is a lag of about 1-2 weeks on hospital admissions and 3-4 weeks on deaths due to the incubation period and period of illness.

So when we get the peak then it will hopefully get less and less.

CaptainHaddock · 3 Apr 2020

It'll be interesting to see what effect warmer temperatures will have on the virus, seeing as most strains of flu tend to be far more prevalent in winter and tend to die out by the summer.

R G NOW. · 3 Apr 2020

CaptainHaddock said:
It'll be interesting to see what effect warmer temperatures will have on the virus, seeing as most strains of flu tend to be far more prevalent in winter and tend to die out by the summer.

I hope so the weather will help get rid of this dreadful virus that seem to come out of nowhere and affected the world. I think everyone has now had enough of it. I have been lucky in one way I suppose being able to self isolate from February, only going out for food since then.

JonathanH · 3 Apr 2020

R G NOW. said:
I hope so the weather will help get rid of this dreadful virus that seem to come out of nowhere and affected the world. I think everyone has now had enough of it. I have been lucky in one way I suppose being able to self isolate from February, only going out for food since then.

It is not flu. It is spreading in hotter countries and the southern hemisphere as well as here. People need to stay at home.

R G NOW. · 3 Apr 2020

JonathanH said:
It is not flu. It is spreading in hotter countries and the southern hemisphere as well as here. People need to stay at home.

So is even weather resistant as well. I thought it a form of flu

DarloRich · 3 Apr 2020

Very impressive expert at the press conference. Where have they been hiding Professor Van Tam?

Also good to hear the health secretary say staying at home was not a suggestion it was an instruction.

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