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Class 701 'Aventra' trains for South Western Railway

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Good point. That's seemed the likely outcome at some points :lol:
No laughing matter I'm afraid. Very bad news for the railways and their users. Would no doubt result in timetable cuts and possibly bustitution on some lines until suitable replacements could be sourced.
 
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No laughing matter I'm afraid. Very bad news for the railways and their users. Would no doubt result in timetable cuts and possibly bustitution on some lines until suitable replacements could be sourced.
SWR is already short of suburban rolling stock midweek, I agree would be a disaster. Especially as 90% of companies expect to return to office by end of this year (source on link), perhaps Fridays will stay as work for home for some, but seems commuting is returning.


Still think if that 06:49 Sunday train in post #7199 is the soft launch, then is softest of the soft on a Sunday.
 

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Is this a 701 service on Sunday Waterloo-Windsor ?
100mph EMU is not 455 or 458

All paths on the Windsor branch are set to 100mph max, regardless of what unit is rostered.

The hourly 1Sxx services scheduled for tomorrow are routed via the Hounslow loop, and are the services that usually run to the Chertsey line, diverted to Windsor because the line is closed between Staines and Virginia Water.
 
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Good point. That's seemed the likely outcome at some points :lol:
The only thing worse than the wibble are these tired, tired, "jokes"

Apparently one return trip tomorrow to Windsor is planned
This basically came off, despite it being accused of being wibble. No-one here actually attempted to board the 701 from Waterloo did they? So no evidence that regular passengers could not have boarded a 701 running from an open platform displaying its destination and calling points.
 
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This basically came off, despite it being accused of being wibble. No-one here actually attempted to board the 701 from Waterloo did they? So no evidence that regular passengers could not have boarded a 701 running from an open platform displaying its destination and calling points.
Was it advertised? For example, on the departure screens at the statoins at which it called? Did it have a 1xxx or 2xxx headcode? If not, it was not in public use, even if some unauthorised person managed to hitch a ride.
 

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All paths on the Windsor branch are set to 100mph max, regardless of what unit is rostered.
To add, it is also worth noting that despite this, the line speed never actually goes above 70 on the Windsor side so it won't matter what unit is rostered, 100mph will never be reached
 

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The only thing worse than the wibble are these tired, tired, "jokes"


This basically came off, despite it being accused of being wibble. No-one here actually attempted to board the 701 from Waterloo did they? So no evidence that regular passengers could not have boarded a 701 running from an open platform displaying its destination and calling points.
I’m pretty sure the 701036 on those return journeys was not actually in service despite the destination showing. There were barriers across the doors to prevent people from boarding at stations, even if they did release the doors.
 

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There also appears to be an ECS from Staines to Windsor and back to Staines half hour before, is this some sort of inspection and checking the branch is OK before important working, especially as might be frosty Sunday morning, and want to check conductor rail isn't icy.


That’s just an ECS move to shunt the unit from the down platform at Staines to the Up platform. It’s probably running all the way to Windsor to clear out of the way of 5S14 from Feltham Depot, which reverses at the shunt signal BEF2606 to form a service first.
 

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I’m pretty sure the 701036 on those return journeys was not actually in service despite the destination showing. There were barriers across the doors to prevent people from boarding at stations, even if they did release the doors.

Presumably the PIS has to be tested before the trains are declared fit to enter service, which would mean setting the PIS for a passenger service and checking that the internal displays, external displays and recorded announcements are correct throughout the journey.
 
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Just got confirmation from an SWR staff member that the 701s will enter service this Sunday (the 7th), from 1000 to 1600. They said "just received and signed our briefs".
Will be operating on 2UXX, driver open and close with guards monitoring PTI displays. Will post information about diagrams and such later today.
Update to my previous post, my source apparently got it wrong and it's actually beginning Monday the 8th. All other details but the date remain the same.
Some extra information:
-"the soft launch isn’t an entry into service, it’s testing"
-"When the testing is done, the units will disappear again so we can start the training, because there’s no training course for mainline drivers yet"
-"And the team managing the soft launch have missed every target they’ve had for 2 years so don’t hold your breath, but if they do manage to roster a crew for testing and the unit does appear then make the most of it because there aren’t enough units to cycle the unit in service, it’ll have to go back for maintenance and then it probably won’t come back till they start doing the regular Windsor circuits"
 

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This basically came off, despite it being accused of being wibble. No-one here actually attempted to board the 701 from Waterloo did they? So no evidence that regular passengers could not have boarded a 701 running from an open platform displaying its destination and calling points.
As per below…
Was it advertised? For example, on the departure screens at the statoins at which it called? Did it have a 1xxx or 2xxx headcode? If not, it was not in public use, even if some unauthorised person managed to hitch a ride.
… the runs yesterday were not revenue service.
 

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I think all we can say is that the (test) runs seem to be more and more frequent and it feels like progress towards actual use is being (slowly) made.
 

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Probably as a Headcode is utterly useless for the general public, where as, the coach number is not.
True unless you’re referring to the old Southern Region 2 digit headcdes which were widely understood by many in their day.
 
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old Southern Region 2 digit headcdes which were widely understood
That is so correct my friend, and even prior to the two digit numerical HC's, the single letter HC's, eg 'V' (etc) as used on the bull nose SUB's, came to be a widely understood indication of routes served by the more regular commuters in their day. Perhaps it's a generational thing...;)
 

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Update to my previous post, my source apparently got it wrong and it's actually beginning Monday the 8th. All other details but the date remain the same.
Some extra information:
-"the soft launch isn’t an entry into service, it’s testing"
-"When the testing is done, the units will disappear again so we can start the training, because there’s no training course for mainline drivers yet"
-"And the team managing the soft launch have missed every target they’ve had for 2 years so don’t hold your breath, but if they do manage to roster a crew for testing and the unit does appear then make the most of it because there aren’t enough units to cycle the unit in service, it’ll have to go back for maintenance and then it probably won’t come back till they start doing the regular Windsor circuits"
Thanks for the update.

And to think that sister company GWR managed to introduce IETs, 387s and short HSTs, plus shift Turbos west almost all concurrently.
 

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Update to my previous post, my source apparently got it wrong and it's actually beginning Monday the 8th. All other details but the date remain the same.
Some extra information:
-"the soft launch isn’t an entry into service, it’s testing"
If it's not an entry into sefrvice, it's not a launch, soft or otherwise.

That said, there are some 2U9x workings in RTT for Monday, over and above the regular workings. (marked as "STP" whatever that means) The "2" suggests they will be in passenger service but the post above suggests they will be under test (in which case they should have "3" or "5" headcodes - otherwise the PIS will advertise them).
5U91 arr Waterloo from Wimbledon sidings 1013
2U91 1025 ex Waterloo arr Windsor 1119
2U92 1130 ex Windsor arr Waterloo 1228
5U92 1240 ex Waterloo to Winmbledon sidings

But we've been here before - there is still plenty of time for them to disappear or become 3Uxx
 
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If it's not an entry into sefrvice, it's not a launch, soft or otherwise.

Perhaps it means that one test run on Monday will turn into a revenue service, but there will be no further services with 701s until the first batch of drivers have completed training.
 

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Update to my previous post, my source apparently got it wrong and it's actually beginning Monday the 8th. All other details but the date remain the same.
Some extra information:
-"the soft launch isn’t an entry into service, it’s testing"
-"When the testing is done, the units will disappear again so we can start the training, because there’s no training course for mainline drivers yet"
-"And the team managing the soft launch have missed every target they’ve had for 2 years so don’t hold your breath, but if they do manage to roster a crew for testing and the unit does appear then make the most of it because there aren’t enough units to cycle the unit in service, it’ll have to go back for maintenance and then it probably won’t come back till they start doing the regular Windsor circuits"
Thanks! Is it still going to only run between 10:00 and 16:00?
 

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So it will run as a passenger service, but they're just saying this is not the beginning of the proper roll-out?
 

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There's still no training programme for mainline drivers.
[sarcasm mode engaged]

I mean, who could have predicted that a training programme would be required? Four years is far too short a time to prepare for such things.

[sarcasm mode disengaged]
 

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So in 4 years(2 of which have seen acceptances) there hasn't been enough drivers trained up to at least do one or two rush hour peak services in a c2c style after launch?

Pretty poor from SWR once again if true.
 

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I think it makes me more sad than anything, purely because I know just what a slick and user-friendly service SWR Metro could have been had these entered use in the way they were supposed to.

Every few minute frequencies, everything consistently ten carriages (save a few single /5 on weekends) with toilets, air conditioning, charging points, entirely walk-through, little tables for the morning coffee, Wi-Fi, rapid acceleration, a modern PIS, WARM in the winter (big bugbear about the 455s and 458s) and lots of space.

I suppose we'll still get this eventually, but it'll be at least 2025.
 

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Likely this means that SWR hiding behind the ocean of words doesn`t want enter new trains into the normal day-to-day service.
[sarcasm mode engaged]

I mean, who could have predicted that a training programme would be required? Four years is far too short a time to prepare for such things.

[sarcasm mode disengaged]
Sure! Indeed! 701s are absolutely new, unusual, never and nowhere seen before type of a rolling stock.
 

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Is this a 701 service on Sunday Waterloo-Windsor ?
100mph EMU is not 455 or 458


There also appears to be an ECS from Staines to Windsor and back to Staines half hour before, is this some sort of inspection and checking the branch is OK before important working, especially as might be frosty Sunday morning, and want to check conductor rail isn't icy.

1S11 is booked 450/8 tommorow.
 

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