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4VEP 3417 back on mainline, still fundraising

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Following on from the 701 thread and twitter 3417 on way to Waterloo platform 19 today
Various photos and videos starting to appear on social media
 
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Gordon Petitt, who is celebrating his 90th birthday and for whom the unit is named, was at Waterloo to see the restored unit.
 

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Who was responsible for fitting the OTMR and TPWS?
 

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Great to see one of the units of my youth back on the network.

I have a distinct memory of the last time I saw 3417: it was on one of the Haslemere-Waterloo stoppers mid-morning one day in summer 2004.
 

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Great to see one of the units of my youth back on the network.

I have a distinct memory of the last time I saw 3417: it was on one of the Haslemere-Waterloo stoppers mid-morning one day in summer 2004.
I also used the units to travel to London. I remember seeing 3417 tucked away at Clapham sidings, then Wimbledon. The guys at Ilford and Strawberry Hill have done a great job.
The update is at https://www.setg.org.uk/4vep-returning-to-traffic-in-2024-with-new-fundraising-appeal/ OTMR, TPWS and other items are yet to be fitted and why they needed 2 73 locos to move it.
 

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When is it going to get the correct number 7717, for plain blue livery?

Is it correct that 3417 was indeed 7717? I seem to remember the refurbished numbers didn't necessarily correspond to the pre-refurbished.

One could also argue that 3417 is in fact the correct number, as it presumably still has a refurbished interior.
 
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I also used the units to travel to London. I remember seeing 3417 tucked away at Clapham sidings, then Wimbledon. The guys at Ilford and Strawberry Hill have done a great job.
The update is at https://www.setg.org.uk/4vep-returning-to-traffic-in-2024-with-new-fundraising-appeal/ OTMR, TPWS and other items are yet to be fitted and why they needed 2 73 locos to move it.

To be fair I didn't use it to travel to London on this occasion, I had arrived at Haslemere from the Portsmouth direction and remember seeing it on a Haslemere starter, with another VEP.

That said, I used the VEPs, as well as the CIGs, regularly for school commuting for most of the 80s. I would likely have used its 7717/3017 incarnation during these years as it was a South Western unit. And may well have used 3417 during the 90s as I still regularly travelled on SWT.
 

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It doesn't have the motor coach from 7717:

More to the point, it has the rebuilt brake van area with the additional seating - which means 3417 is technically the only number it could carry with that.

However... there's no real reason it couldn't carry 7717 or 3017; this would be simply the EMU version of the Flying Scotsman chimney and smoke deflectors versus the livery debate.
 

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More to the point, it has the rebuilt brake van area with the additional seating - which means 3417 is technically the only number it could carry with that.

However... there's no real reason it couldn't carry 7717 or 3017; this would be simply the EMU version of the Flying Scotsman chimney and smoke deflectors versus the livery debate.
It did operate passenger services with that livery too.
 

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It doesn't have the motor coach from 7717:
MBSO ex 7775, which I believe only came to SW in later years, whereas 7717 was a Bournemouth unit (in my time) before moving up to Womble land. Remember them very well in original large van/cage guise, although one section of seats in the revised format could make for a nice snug area of sorts (no external door in one bay). Interesting to see that the compo nearest the bog in the DTCL's has been retained as second class, judging by the external yellow lining. Can't remember now when those were first down classed, so very long ago!

PS: with apologies to StephenHunter - didn't see the attachment a few posts up! :oops:
 

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MBSO ex 7775, which I believe only came to SW in later years, whereas 7717 was a Bournemouth unit (in my time) before moving up to Womble land. Remember them very well in original large van/cage guise, although one section of seats in the revised format could make for a nice snug area of sorts (no external door in one bay). Interesting to see that the compo nearest the bog in the DTCL's has been retained as second class, judging by the external yellow lining. Can't remember now when those were first down classed, so very long ago!

PS: with apologies to StephenHunter - didn't see the attachment a few posts up! :oops:
The MBSO was swaped when the refurbishment was done. As the MBSO vehicles had significant modifications to give additional seating they took longer to refurbish, so rather than have units sat around waiting for their MBSO back, sets were released with the MBSO of an earlier unit in the programme. Units were renumbered from 3421 upwards in order of shopping, except for the first 20 sets (7701-20/3001-20) that became 3401-20 to keep the batch together that had originally had asbestos insulation (which was stripped during the 1980s at Eastleigh) in the DTC vehicles.

Source: Blood and Custard (https://www.bloodandcustard.com/BR-4VEP.html)
 

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Wonderful achievement, just a shame it's not a (usable) 4CIG.

The five a side VEP's were exquisitely uncomfortable - you always seemed to be sitting next to an "out of gauge" passenger - would anyone really want a railtour in such cramped conditions?

WAO
 

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Wonderful achievement, just a shame it's not a (usable) 4CIG.

The five a side VEP's were exquisitely uncomfortable - you always seemed to be sitting next to an "out of gauge" passenger - would anyone really want a railtour in such cramped conditions?

WAO

You probably wouldn't have to fill it up for a railtour. The 3 seats are quite generous for two people.
 

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Wonderful achievement, just a shame it's not a (usable) 4CIG.

The five a side VEP's were exquisitely uncomfortable - you always seemed to be sitting next to an "out of gauge" passenger - would anyone really want a railtour in such cramped conditions?

WAO
Sooner sit in 4 VEP three a side than on networker or electrostars but agree you did have to be careful to assess your companions if only middle seats were left.
 

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Wonderful achievement, just a shame it's not a (usable) 4CIG.

The five a side VEP's were exquisitely uncomfortable - you always seemed to be sitting next to an "out of gauge" passenger - would anyone really want a railtour in such cramped conditions?

WAO
VEPs were utterly hateful things to travel on. A refurbished CEP on the other hand...

That doesn't detract from the achievements they've made so far with the VEP.
 

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