June 2024 Timetable Change

ScotGG · 15 Feb 2024

Ok it was Dartford then that was cut. Let me dig out the timetable. Greenwich for example used to have six tph and now four.

That saw 8 tph all day in 2022 now down to 6tph through Abbey Wood. 2 rounders, 2 to Dartford and 2 Thameslink.

Rounders have simply switched lines. Therefore there's a reduction from Kent direct from Dartford and also worse service beyond as fewer trains to change for onward travel to Abbey Wood and Elizabeth line.

4tph now to Dartford now may as well be 2tph given they run with a 2-3 mins gap then a 27-28 minute wait. Cutting 2 tph greatly hindered connections between SE and EL

Going back before 2022 and there used to be the semi fasts to Gillingham and also trains to Dartford. It's been a gradual erosion of a usable service from Dartford to Abbey Wood/Greenwich line.

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NorthKent1989 · 15 Feb 2024

ScotGG said:
Going back before 2022 and there used to be the semi fasts to Gillingham and also trains to Dartford. It's been a gradual erosion of a usable service from Dartford to Abbey Wood/Greenwich line.

The Woolwich line is a joke and has been since 2018 when Thameslink was jammed through, I’ve largely given up
On it since they’ve removed Charing Cross trains.

Worse still is that Medway/Gravesend only have 2tph for the EL connection.

Blindtraveler · 16 Feb 2024

NorthKent1989 said:
The Woolwich line is a joke and has been since 2018 when Thameslink was jammed through, I’ve largely given up
On it since they’ve removed Charing Cross trains.

Worse still is that Medway/Gravesend only have 2tph for the EL connection.

Something which we might be able to change depending on the outcome of the next election and the interest or lack thereof in improving things from newly elected representatives

What will be interesting with less trains on that section is to see if the existing service becomes any more reliable, if it doesn't then we will at least have creditable grounds to stand up and say that the TL service is unfit for purpose and must be addressed

Apologies for starting to stray away from topic, might be worth its own thread this discussion

AlanL · 16 Feb 2024

Does anyone know when the new June24 timetable with be available online on real time trains etc to help with journey planning?

OliverH68 · 16 Feb 2024

AlanL said:
Does anyone know when the new June24 timetable with be available online on real time trains etc to help with journey planning?

I've mentioned this in post #9, but it will progressively be published over the course of next week.

AlanL · 16 Feb 2024

OliverH68 said:
I've mentioned this in post #9, but it will progressively be published over the course of next week.

thank you

30907 · 16 Feb 2024

NorthKent1989 said:
Worse still is that Medway/Gravesend only have 2tph for the EL connection.

Medway was always 2tph, Gravesend is 4tph but running 3-5min apart. Maybe it should be 4tph evenly spaced, or maybe there is a demand for Bexleyheath line and Victoria as well?
Given that the Gravesend via Woolwich and Lewisham is so poorly pathed, I suspect public complaints might be a factor....

southern442 · 18 Feb 2024

ScotGG said:
Rounders have simply switched lines. Therefore there's a reduction from Kent direct from Dartford and also worse service beyond as fewer trains to change for onward travel to Abbey Wood and Elizabeth line.

I thought at one point there were Woolwich - Bexleyheath rounders and Woolwich - Sidcup rounders that existed simultaneously?

MrJeeves · 18 Feb 2024

swt_passenger said:
I would be somewhat surprised if it did, it was recently noted in the dedicated thread that the track access application had disappeared…

swt_passenger said:
OK, that seems a fairly categoric statement. Let’s hope the suddenly missing documentation is just an admin error.

It was actually just replaced with a new version on 5 Feb. Have put that in the thread now.

30907 · 18 Feb 2024

southern442 said:
I thought at one point there were Woolwich - Bexleyheath rounders and Woolwich - Sidcup rounders that existed simultaneously?

Yes, pre-Covid. The Bexleyheath ones had run since time immemorial, but not the Sidcups which IIRC are a 21st century development (bar the odd few).

Chiltern006 · 18 Feb 2024

Found this article on TPE. May relate more to December 2024 but still relevant to this June

TransPennine Express confirms plans to ‘build back’ its timetable

UK: TransPennine Express has confirmed that it expects to begin reinstating services to meet commitments it made when it announced temporary timetable reductions in December 2023. Good progress has been made with crew training which will allow the operator to begin to restore services from June ...

www.railwaygazette.com

Confident that the company can begin to ‘build back’, Managing Director Chris Jackson told stakeholders at two meetings in January that as well as increasing frequency of West Coast Main Line services from 34 to 40 trains per day, the Manchester to York via Wakefield service will be increased to six trains per day and additional York – Scarborough services will run at weekends from June to September.

Other routes will see a small number of additional trains.

From December 2024, the Leeds to Huddersfield stopping service will transfer to Northern, and many services withdrawn in December 2023 will be reinstated. On the South Transpennine route, additional calls will be made at Althorpe, Crowle and Thorne South every alternate hour. There will be an hourly Manchester to York service via Wakefield, and the Edinburgh to Berwick-upon-Tweed/Newcastle service will be amended to see all trains operating between Edinburgh and Newcastle on a two-hourly basis to provide eight trains per day.

TPE has also confirmed that the stopping service between Manchester and Huddersfield is expected to transfer to Northern before the end of the decade as the Transpennine Route Upgrade project is completed. The Northern franchise ran these trains prior to 2016.

Wilts Wanderer · 18 Feb 2024

Chiltern006 said:
TPE has also confirmed that the stopping service between Manchester and Huddersfield is expected to transfer to Northern before the end of the decade as the Transpennine Route Upgrade project is completed. The Northern franchise ran these trains prior to 2016.

The Manchester-Huddersfield and Leeds-Huddersfield stopping services only relatively recently transferred to TPE from Northern didn’t they?

Express380 · 18 Feb 2024

Wilts Wanderer said:
The Manchester-Huddersfield and Leeds-Huddersfield stopping services only relatively recently transferred to TPE from Northern didn’t they?

There were certainly still some running in 2019 on the Manchester-Huddersfield part

Class 170101 · 18 Feb 2024

Will be interesting to see how the Manchester to Hudderfield transfer works out, some of those services run through to York via Wakefield Kirkgate and Castleford don't they?

Jorge Da Silva · 19 Feb 2024

Class 170101 said:
Will be interesting to see how the Manchester to Hudderfield transfer works out, some of those services run through to York via Wakefield Kirkgate and Castleford don't they?

Well isn’t there an idea for an hourly service from Manchester to York via Wakefield as part of TPE timetable change?

Initially it will be six and then going to hourly apparently

Galaxy · 19 Feb 2024

Chiltern006 said:
Found this article on TPE. May relate more to December 2024 but still relevant to this June

TransPennine Express confirms plans to ‘build back’ its timetable

UK: TransPennine Express has confirmed that it expects to begin reinstating services to meet commitments it made when it announced temporary timetable reductions in December 2023. Good progress has been made with crew training which will allow the operator to begin to restore services from June ...

www.railwaygazette.com

Interesting note about the additional calls at Althorpe, Crowle and Thorne South on the alternate hour.

This could either mean the Northern stopping service to Scunthorpe continues to give an hourly service to these stations or alternatively, these additional calls in effect replace what is there already from Northern.

I suspect it's the latter, but hope not.

moonarrow458 · 19 Feb 2024

Galaxy said:
Interesting note about the additional calls at Althorpe, Crowle and Thorne South on the alternate hour.

This could either mean the Northern stopping service to Scunthorpe continues to give an hourly service to these stations or alternatively, these additional calls in effect replace what is there already from Northern.

I suspect it's the latter, but hope not.

Yes it did make me wonder whether that meant Northern are going to withdraw entirely their Scunthorpe to Doncaster Stopper which pre covid was 1tph but now 1tp2h. If they do withdraw it its a halving of the service level Doncaster to Scunthorpe compared to pre covid, but as you say could be a way to restore Althorpe, Crowle, and Thorne South to 1tph albeit unbalanced.

whale · 19 Feb 2024

Much like December 23, LNER should be adding an additional Sunday return working on the Leeds route. Something along the lines of 1033 KGX-LDS and 1340 LDS-KGX. As others have mentioned, December’s plans will be the interesting one to watch.

faltskog36abba · 19 Feb 2024

Chiltern006 said:
Found this article on TPE. May relate more to December 2024 but still relevant to this June

TransPennine Express confirms plans to ‘build back’ its timetable

UK: TransPennine Express has confirmed that it expects to begin reinstating services to meet commitments it made when it announced temporary timetable reductions in December 2023. Good progress has been made with crew training which will allow the operator to begin to restore services from June ...

www.railwaygazette.com

Have you any Idea which Manchester Termini the Huddersfield stopper will use?. That is once its returned to Northern.

pokemonsuper9 · 19 Feb 2024

faltskog36abba said:
Have you any Idea which Manchester Termini the Huddersfield stopper will use?. That is once its returned to Northern.

It currently runs into Piccadilly and I wouldn't be surprised if that stayed the same.
Unless they extend the (by then) Wigan - Stalybridge up to Huddersfield there's not really many other options.
Running into Victoria could work but I don't know how busy those terminating platforms are (and I think they're planning on reducing the amount of trains terminating in Victoria in future)

faltskog36abba · 19 Feb 2024

pokemonsuper9 said:
It currently runs into Piccadilly and I wouldn't be surprised if that stayed the same.
Unless they extend the (by then) Wigan - Stalybridge up to Huddersfield there's not really many other options.
Running into Victoria could work but I don't know how busy those terminating platforms are (and I think they're planning on reducing the amount of trains terminating in Victoria in future)

Thank you for the info much appreciated.

OliverH68 · 19 Feb 2024

Publication has begun.

Quite a lot up tonight with - London Overground, LNER, Lumo, Hull Trains, Grand Central, Northern, TfW, GWR & ScotRail all available.

Bikeman78 · 19 Feb 2024

OliverH68 said:
Publication has begun.

Quite a lot up tonight with - London Overground, LNER, Lumo, Hull Trains, Grand Central, Northern, TfW, GWR & ScotRail all available.

The new service pattern to Wemyss Bay and Gourock is confirmed. Cathcart circle runs all day. For Lanark trains, most of the tight turn rounds at Glasgow Central have gone but a few remain.

totally · 19 Feb 2024

OliverH68 said:
Publication has begun.

Quite a lot up tonight with - London Overground, LNER, Lumo, Hull Trains, Grand Central, Northern, TfW, GWR & ScotRail all available.

May I ask where these can be found? I particularly would like Northern.

Chiltern006 · 19 Feb 2024

RealtimeTrains

Search any station and a date after the change (believe first day of new timetable is 2nd June) and Bobs you’re uncle

DaveHarries · 19 Feb 2024

OliverH68 said:
Publication has begun.

Quite a lot up tonight with - London Overground, LNER, Lumo, Hull Trains, Grand Central, Northern, TfW, GWR & ScotRail all available.

Indeed. Noticeable are the following, particularly for the Valley Lines:
- Services between Rhymney and Cardiff Central are recast on Mondays to Saturdays with a higher frequency. Trains from Rhymney will no longer operate to Penarth but will now operate to either Barry Island (xx:11 past the hour) or Bridgend via. Llantwit Major (xx:45 past the hour). From Bargoed there will be 4tph Bargoed to Cardiff Central. On Sundays the frequency will be 1tph Rhymney to Barry Island.

- Train services between Radyr and Cardiff Central, via. Danescourt & Waun-gron Park, will now be covered by services operating Aberdare to Merthyr Tydfil on Mondays to Saturdays. The frequency will be 2tph each way during the day on Mondays to Saturdays with an evening service of 1tph each way. On Sundays trains will be 1tph via. Danescourt and will be Cardiff Central to Aberdare only but these will, it appears, interwork with Merthyr Tydfil to Cardiff Central services.

- Cardiff Bay to Cardiff Queen Street runs at irregular, on Monday to Saturday daytimes, with gaps of 12 or 18 minutes between services. This does, however, facilitate 2tph Cardiff Bay to Pontypridd. Sunday daytimes 4tph Cardiff Bay to Cardiff Queen Street with 1tph to/from Pontypridd.

- Coryton to Radyr becomes Coryton to Penarth but with no evening services presently shown for Coryton: evening services for Penarth will run to/from Cardiff Central only. Nothing showing on Sundays for Coryton.

- Penarth will still have 4tph Mondays to Saturdays for much of the day with 2tph running Caerphilly - Penarth in addition to the Coryton services. Sunday services to/from Penarth will operate to/from Cardiff Queen Street meaning platform 2 at Cardiff QS will be used as a terminus.

HTIOI,
Dave

infobleep · 19 Feb 2024

I see the 17:38 Guuldford to Gatwick Airport service will depart at 17:37 but still get into Redhill at 18:14 and Gatwick Airport at 18:25.

It departs Reading 1 minute later so perhaps all the slight savings are generally between Reading and Guildford.

There isn't much they can do as the train needs to be at Guildford, Redhill and Gatwick Airport at roughly set times for paths to be available.

InkyScrolls · 20 Feb 2024

Thanks to yours truly 2H92, the SuX Northern 1518 Leeds to Carlisle, has gained an additional call at Long Preston.

Also Northern have published the Rochdale to Ribblehead services, two per day on Saturdays. A service I shall very much enjoy using!

A S Leib · 20 Feb 2024

Is White Rose currently expected to open before or after the timetable change, and will Cottingley close straight away or have a similar situation to Sankey since Warrington West opened?

hexagon789 · 20 Feb 2024

ScotRail, LNER, LUMO, GWR, Hull Trains, Grand Central, TfW appear to be loaded.

Avanti, XC, Chiltern, EMR not in yet.

ScotRail changes I can see include:

- half-hourly Gourock semi-fast in 40 mins
- half-hourly Wemyss Bay all stops
- hourly Leven stopper via Kirkcaldy
- minor changes to calling patterns on HML (0707 ex-GLQ/1329 ex-EDB now omit CAG, with stops in the 0638 ex-EDB/1207 ex-GLQ instead

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