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Transit time between Waterloo and Kings Cross?

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I‘ve just been helpfully advised by my ticket supplier that due to Industrial Action next Friday (1st March) that they don’t expect I’ll make my cross-London connection in the time given. It HAD been 55minutes, but now just 30. As my journey will be in the early afternoon, is there any info on the quickest route (with minimal walking) and an estimated time - could I still manage it? Even the best place to stand/exit could make a difference - so any pointers would be appreciated!
 
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30 minutes is a bit tight for a Tube journey between those stations. Same with any other method, unfortunately.
 

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Agreed, the tube takes about 15 mins, the 68 bus takes 20. That doesn't allow for walking between the railway station platforms and the tube/bus stop and vice-versa or waiting time for the next respective services.

You might just make it, or just miss it. It's one of those could so easily go either way situations.
 

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I assume you'll be going via Oxford Circus, so you will need near the middle of the Bakerloo train but the rear of the Victoria line.
 

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Tks for the above - as I have Advance tickets, there won’t be a problem getting on the following service - then it struck me. Isn’t it strange that when the railway has a problem they can be flexible. If it’s YOU that has the problem (late taxi/bus to station, headache or feeling ill)…. Tough!

Hardly fair 0 is it? <(
 

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Tks for the above - as I have Advance tickets, there won’t be a problem getting on the following service - then it struck me. Isn’t it strange that when the railway has a problem they can be flexible. If it’s YOU that has the problem (late taxi/bus to station, headache or feeling ill)…. Tough!

Hardly fair 0 is it? <(
Where are you travelling in to Waterloo from? Is there the opportunity to catch an earlier train. My experience (mostly with Southeastern and GTR) is that staff will be fine with that if disruption is expected in the badlands.
 

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30 minutes is comfortable, if not plenty.

I usually allow 25 mins, but I know exactly where I’m going and walk faster than most people.

Vic line to Oxford Circus, middle of train, straight across the platform to the Bakerloo. Typically 15-17 minutes from tube departing KX to tube arriving Waterloo. 5 mins plus wait time at KX end, 3 mins from tube to train at Waterloo.

edit - just realised you‘re going Waterloo to KX. This is marginally quicker, as you can be at the very back of the Vic Line train, exit via the old KX ticket hall adjacent, turn right ehen through the barriers, and right again to exit the tube right be the front of the KX main line trainshed, and that is much nearer the barriers for the main line platforms.
 
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Depending on where you’re coming from, and whether your train is stopping there anyway, it might be better to get off at Vauxhall and get the Victoria line directly from there.
 

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Depending on where you’re coming from, and whether your train is stopping there anyway, it might be better to get off at Vauxhall and get the Victoria line directly from there.
AFAICT this isn’t an option (I’m coming from Portsmouth) But a good idea. Looking at the tube map, is the Jubilee from Waterloo (change at Green Park for Victoria) a better option? It’s one stop less!
 

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I‘ve just been helpfully advised by my ticket supplier that due to Industrial Action next Friday (1st March) that they don’t expect I’ll make my cross-London connection in the time given. It HAD been 55minutes, but now just 30. As my journey will be in the early afternoon, is there any info on the quickest route (with minimal walking) and an estimated time - could I still manage it? Even the best place to stand/exit could make a difference - so any pointers would be appreciated!
Is there no option to change your tickets without penalty?
 

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AFAICT this isn’t an option (I’m coming from Portsmouth) But a good idea. Looking at the tube map, is the Jubilee from Waterloo (change at Green Park for Victoria) a better option? It’s one stop less!
Don’t ever change between lines at Green Park - it’s a long walk.

From Waterloo to Kings Cross the best route is to change at Oxford Circus - very easy interchange, it’s effectively cross-platform. 4th carriage, 3rd door of the Bakerloo line is best for the interchange passage at Oxford Circus, then rear carriage of Victoria line is best for exiting at Kings Cross.
 

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[...] Looking at the tube map, is the Jubilee from Waterloo (change at Green Park for Victoria) a better option? It’s one stop less!

No... defo Bakerloo & Victoria 'for the win'!

On arrival at Waterloo, for easier access to the Tube (specifically Bakerloo or Northern lines) don't head to the ticket gates at the buffer stops for the main concourse, rather head down the stairs to the subway (which runs under all the platforms) and turn right & follow the signs for the Underground - be prepared to negotiate two sets of gatelines, one to exit from the National Rail station and then a bit further on after turning right again there's the gateline to enter the Tube. The benefit of this subway route is in avoiding faff and delay at the main busy buffer stop gateline, and also not having to negotiate your way past lots of people on the often bustling concourse (though you do also miss out of a bit of the grandeur of arrival at Waterloo).

See the Waterloo station map (PDF) and note the subway entrances on each of the platforms. Portsmouth trains normally arrive on platforms 8-12.
(Also, don't worry about the area labelled A1 in purple on the map - this is the new 'Sidings' shopping & dining area in the underbelly of the old Waterloo International station - on first glance the map makes the layout look a bit confusing, but you don't need to negotiate this area at all.)
 

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No... defo Bakerloo & Victoria 'for the win'!

On arrival at Waterloo, for easier access to the Tube (specifically Bakerloo or Northern lines) don't head to the ticket gates at the buffer stops for the main concourse, rather head down the stairs to the subway (which runs under all the platforms) and turn right & follow the signs for the Underground - be prepared to negotiate two sets of gatelines, one to exit from the National Rail station and then a bit further on after turning right again there's the gateline to enter the Tube. The benefit of this subway route is in avoiding faff and delay at the main busy buffer stop gateline, and also not having to negotiate your way past lots of people on the often bustling concourse (though you do also miss out of a bit of the grandeur of arrival at Waterloo).

See the Waterloo station map (PDF) and note the subway entrances on each of the platforms. Portsmouth trains normally arrive on platforms 8-12.
(Also, don't worry about the area labelled A1 in purple on the map - this is the new 'Sidings' shopping & dining area in the underbelly of the old Waterloo International station - on first glance the map makes the layout look a bit confusing, but you don't need to negotiate this area at all.)
Is that route now open all day? If not it may be irrelevant to the time the OP is travelling?
 
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I‘ve just been helpfully advised by my ticket supplier that due to Industrial Action next Friday (1st March) that they don’t expect I’ll make my cross-London connection in the time given.
What industrial action is affecting your cross-London connection? Are they instead referring to action at LNER?

Don’t ever change between lines at Green Park - it’s a long walk.
To/from Piccadilly line yes, but not between Jubilee and Victoria.
 

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Industrial Action is on my LNER return to Edinburgh which had been 1430 it has either been retimed or a different train with a 1400 departure (the booked seats are the same which makes me think it’s the former) if I miss it, the next departure I can use if 1600 - it just makes my Edinburgh change later than I would like!

As the assembled wisdom is to avoid the Jubilee like the plague - an Oxford Circus change to the Vic is the winner.

I’ll let you know next Friday if I made it! :D
 

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I live a 10min walk from Lambeth North and normally get to KX in just over 30 mins. Should be comfortable from Waterloo.
 

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A couple of thoughts -

Someone mentioned bus 68 - this is timetabled to take 21 minutes (weekday off peak) from Waterloo to Euston. It also runs every 10 minutes, so I would say it's very much pushing your luck to get from Waterloo to Kings Cross in 30 minutes. Apart from the well known unwritten law that says you'll just miss one, I'd say that with the walk from platform at Waterloo to the Tennison Way bus stop, and the walk (in which case get off at Upper Woburn Place / Euston Road rather than stay on the bus round in to Euston bus station) or second bus from Euston to Kings Cross, 30 minutes would be a bit optimistic. There are plenty of bus routes from Euston to Kings Cross, but some days it's just as quick to walk.

There also bus route 1 which connects Waterloo with Euston (although up Eversholt Street on the east side of the station, rather than in to the bus station) - it's timetabled at 30 minutes off peak between Waterloo and Euston which seems to be excessive 'padding' in the timetable.

I'm fairly sure there isn't a single bus route that connects Waterloo with Kings Cross any more (the most recent version was route 59, but that has now been diverted away from Kings Cross.)

Is the reservation / need to travel on specific departures just on the LNER service, or on both the SWR and LNER trains? If the first part of the journey was on a suburban line, I don't think the reservation / need to travel on a specific train would apply, so catching an earlier train in to Waterloo wouldn't be a problem.

May be worth trying to make contact with SWR to ask if your ticket will be accepted (in the circumstances) on an earlier train from Portsmouth (if that's an option) or asking whoever you bought the ticket from. But try and get it in writing...
 

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Industrial Action is on my LNER return to Edinburgh which had been 1430 it has either been retimed or a different train with a 1400 departure (the booked seats are the same which makes me think it’s the former) if I miss it, the next departure I can use if 1600 - it just makes my Edinburgh change later than I would like!

As the assembled wisdom is to avoid the Jubilee like the plague - an Oxford Circus change to the Vic is the winner.

I’ll let you know next Friday if I made it! :D
It's very unlikely that the mid-platform exits to the Waterloo subway will be open in early afternoon, unless there's been a very recent change of policy - I haven't seen them open outside the peaks for several years. I'd be ready to get off at the front set of doors, head straight for the gateline and immediately left towards the upper escalators. Once beyond the gateline you need the left bank of lower escalators for the Bakerloo.

Definitely go Bakerloo / Oxford Circus / Victoria line, the connection is much the quickest.

Essential also to note Bald Rick's instructions at KX, whatever you do don't follow the signage which takes you via the northern ticket hall, that's halfway to St Pancras. You need to get to the old tube concourse, if in doubt follow the signs for Met & Circle lines until you reach it. From there you're straight out into KX main line.
 

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It's very unlikely that the mid-platform exits to the Waterloo subway will be open in early afternoon, unless there's been a very recent change of policy - I haven't seen them open outside the peaks for several years. I'd be ready to get off at the front set of doors, head straight for the gateline and immediately left towards the upper escalators. Once beyond the gateline you need the left bank of lower escalators for the Bakerloo
The subway tends to be open a lot more frequently these days than it used to be. I think ever since "The Sidings" opened in the old Eurostar part of the station.

As for Kings Cross - Waterloo, 30 minutes should be doable if the LNER service is on time, try and make your way towards the front of the train (well to the front of standard class) to get an easier getaway (especially if the barriers are in use as if at the back of the train you can easily waste 10 minutes caught up in a queue trying to exit). Victoria line (3rd coach from the front from memory) to Oxford Circus for a cross platform change for the Bakerloo (4th coach from the front from memory for the best location). Buses in Central London can be slower than walking at peak times
 

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The subway tends to be open a lot more frequently these days than it used to be. I think ever since "The Sidings" opened in the old Eurostar part of the station.

As for Kings Cross - Waterloo, 30 minutes should be doable if the LNER service is on time, try and make your way towards the front of the train (well to the front of standard class) to get an easier getaway (especially if the barriers are in use as if at the back of the train you can easily waste 10 minutes caught up in a queue trying to exit). Victoria line (3rd coach from the front from memory) to Oxford Circus for a cross platform change for the Bakerloo (4th coach from the front from memory for the best location). Buses in Central London can be slower than walking at peak times
The OP is doing the journey northbound (ref posts 9 and 15). Agreed that 30 minutes to KX is doable, I have managed Finsbury Park in 30 minutes from Waterloo though that needs reasonable fitness (e.g. walking down escalators etc.) and a degree of luck with the tube arrivals.
 

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My personal best is around 18 minutes train to train, and that was at normal walking speed and getting lucky with the Bakerloo line.

One word of advice is probably when in the LU ticket barrier area there is departure screens for the various lines, if the next Bakerloo is showing as a long time it gives you an option to using the Northern line to change at Warren Street (not the fastest change but if there is a 5+ minute wait for a Bakerloo then it can be worth it)
 

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Isn’t it strange that when the railway has a problem they can be flexible. If it’s YOU that has the problem (late taxi/bus to station, headache or feeling ill)…. Tough!

Hardly fair 0 is it? <(
But you could also put it the other way around. The railway offers you a cheaper fare in return for sacrificing flexibility. It’s your choice to accept that fare, and you do so aware of the risk involved. If the railway messes you around and moves you onto another service, they’re not being flexible, but honouring their commitment as close as they can.
 

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I would go to the buffer stops (the stairwell option is sometimes closed and that would be a big set back if you position for it) - go as near the front of the train as you can. Follow the signs for Bakerloo line, change at Oxford Circus (follow @alholmes advice upthread on which door), then just walk briskly. It's tight but should be OK.
 

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Would almost certainly take longer then the tube.

30 minutes is easily achievable if your train is on time.

In a black cab, it's about the same time as the route has plenty of bus lanes to use. A Uber however, zero chance in that time frame.

Bakerloo + Victoria still the way to go for speed.
 

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I would go to the buffer stops (the stairwell option is sometimes closed and that would be a big set back if you position for it) - go as near the front of the train as you can. Follow the signs for Bakerloo line, change at Oxford Circus (follow @alholmes advice upthread on which door), then just walk briskly. It's tight but should be OK.
Now I am confused! From Waterloo, I wasn’t aware there would be buffer stops - doesn’t the line come from Elephant & Castle? At Oxford Circus I’m changing to northbound Victoria - or are you assuming I’m going from KX to Waterloo? :D
 

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Now I am confused! From Waterloo, I wasn’t aware there would be buffer stops - doesn’t the line come from Elephant & Castle? At Oxford Circus I’m changing to northbound Victoria - or are you assuming I’m going from KX to Waterloo? :D
I mean the national rail buffer stops at Waterloo at the end of the platform to get you onto the concourse as quickly as possible
 

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In a black cab, it's about the same time as the route has plenty of bus lanes to use. A Uber however, zero chance in that time frame.

Bakerloo + Victoria still the way to go for speed.

It has to be faster by bicycle. Google Maps shows 19 minutes. Or e-scooter?

Filter past taxis queuing and at red lights, walk across if safe then ride on. On a cross London transfer red lights can add several minutes.

On train into Waterloo use realtimetrains to predict departure platform at Kings Cross.

I haven't used hire e-bikes so I'm not sure about docking at each end.

I easily cycled Farringdon (Elizabeth Line) - Kings Cross platform to platform in 10 minutes yesterday including a 2 minute delay waiting for lift and delayed barrier exit. National Rail itinerary didn't support the 20 minute connection. Saved an hour on my journey.
 

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Well, it’s Friday 1st and I promised to update you on whether I made the connection. Arriving at Waterloo (at the front of the train) at 1330 (should have been 1323, so 7 minutes late. First hurdle was my ticket from Portsmouth to U1 DIDN’T work the barriers - I had to search out a bod who would let me through. The same again at the tube entry gates. Northbound Bakerloo had disruption at the northern end and I had a 5 min wait. Joining the middle of the train, I arrived Oxford Circus in good time to cut through to Platform 6 and the northbound Victoria which arrived in 30 seconds as I was walking down the platform to the end.

Arrived KX right next to the station escalators so made good time until I got to the gate line - which took my ticket and spat it out again with no visible error message. Coming up into daylight was right next to the KX gate line. New journey, new ticket but same problem. They wouldn’t open! I swear, looking for someone to let me through was the most stressful element. When they did, I was told to run as it was leaving platform 6. With my watch telling me it was 1359 (and my heart BPM a close 122) I was the last to board the last carriage! On board it was mobbed, and it seemed they amalgamated two train loads onto this single service.

Thanks to all who gave advice, I wouldn’t be heading through Newark now if it wasn’t for your assistance! The only thing I’ve learnt is that mag stripe tickets should be consigned to history!
 

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