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Stan Drews

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I have started this new thread as the old one was closed.

I noticed that 0481 is on the 63 today in Edinburgh. Has it recently been transferred from Stirling or on loan?
It has been transferred to Livingston for use on the 68, where it’s shorter length will be helpful.
 

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I’m going to try do the whole loop on the 68 on 0481 today, I shall update on how it went.
That was the worst bus ride I’ve ever been on. The people were nice but it felt like I was sitting in the middle of a quarry, & the bus was jittering like it was driving through an earthquake
 

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Sounds good. I hope you enjoy :)

On another note, I’ve noticed a lot of ex West Lothian StreetLites now in Falkirk and Stirling.
The usable stock have certainly been seen around, including the 09-plate B7RLEs that are Euro 6 converted, although not at Larbert where the other McGill's Volvos are.
 

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That was the worst bus ride I’ve ever been on. The people were nice but it felt like I was sitting in the middle of a quarry, & the bus was jittering like it was driving through an earthquake
I remember going on it and feeling a bit travel sick. The amount of times it goes past the bus stop opposite McDonald’s as well.
 

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The usable stock have certainly been seen around, including the 09-plate B7RLEs that are Euro 6 converted, although not at Larbert where the other McGill's Volvos are.
The 09- plate B7RLE that is still in service spent a couple days at Larbert on the 1 mainly before transferring to Bannockburn.
 

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0420 made it out on the X38 today. Returning to Edinburgh city centre again probably for the first time since the X22 and X24 were withdrawn. It looks like it’s operated by Livingston depot today rather than Larbert.
 

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0420 made it out on the X38 today. Returning to Edinburgh city centre again probably for the first time since the X22 and X24 were withdrawn. It looks like it’s operated by Livingston depot today rather than Larbert.
That is standard procedure for the Christmas and New Year services (including when services were run by First), it only goes as far as Linlithgow and is funded by West Lothian Council.
Monday 25th December - Most buses will not run. The X38 will run to a Christmas Day timetable every 2 hours between Linlithgow and Edinburgh, supported by West Lothian Council.

Tuesday 26th December - Most buses will not run. The 312 will run to Sunday timetable and the X38 will run to a Boxing Day timetable every 2 hours between Linlithgow and Edinburgh, supported by West Lothian Council.

Monday 1st January - Most buses will not run. The X38 will run a New Years timetable every 2 hours between Linlithgow and Edinburgh, supported by West Lothian Council. Bright Bus City Tour (BBT1) will be running and finish early at 3pm.

Tuesday 2nd January - Most buses will not run. The 312 will run to Sunday timetable and the X38 will run a New Years timetable every 2 hours between Linlithgow and Edinburgh, supported by West Lothian Council. Bright Bus Tours will finish early at 3pm.
I believe there was a year when Lothian Country ran it instead of First although that was probably when they had services on the X38 themselves.
 

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That is standard procedure for the Christmas and New Year services (including when services were run by First), it only goes as far as Linlithgow and is funded by West Lothian Council.

I believe there was a year when Lothian Country ran it instead of First although that was probably when they had services on the X38 themselves.
I remember that year when they were run by Lothian Country and they ran a 231 to Linlithgow as well.

It will be interesting what McGill’s will do moving forward if they will use Livingston depot to pick up Council tenders and otherwise Bright Bus Tours and Bright Bus Airport Express plus Flixbus As bad as they have been in the past, it may actually be better to have another provider that can bid for tenders in future as we have lost E&M Horsburgh for services and I can’t see them wanting to bid for anymore in future and SD Travel I doubt has the capacity to take on all of the tendered routes that Lothian Country don’t want.
 

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0420 made it out on the X38 today. Returning to Edinburgh city centre again probably for the first time since the X22 and X24 were withdrawn. It looks like it’s operated by Livingston depot today rather than Larbert.
And 0481 is out on the X38 today as it's only running Edinburgh to Linlithgow. That's right - 0481.
 

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And 0481 is out on the X38 today as it's only running Edinburgh to Linlithgow. That's right - 0481.
It’s sort of nice to see these buses on Princes Street again. Unless Larbert put any out on the X38 they are now a rare sight.

0430 is also on the X38 today.

0422 is on the 312 also operating from Livingston depot.
 
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It’s sort of nice to see these buses on Princes Street again. Unless Larbert put any out on the X38 they are now a rare sight.
Generally only B7RLEs or E200s (including MMCs) show up on the X38 these days.

StreetLites were never designed for that route and it is a good explanation as to why most of them are clapped out despite not even being 10 years old.

It will be interesting what McGill’s will do moving forward if they will use Livingston depot to pick up Council tenders and otherwise Bright Bus Tours and Bright Bus Airport Express plus Flixbus As bad as they have been in the past, it may actually be better to have another provider that can bid for tenders in future as we have lost E&M Horsburgh for services and I can’t see them wanting to bid for anymore in future and SD Travel I doubt has the capacity to take on all of the tendered routes that Lothian Country don’t want.
We will see what happens, it will probably depend on whether or not the airport service is a success. Remember, they are still allowed to bid for contracts, they do not have to accept them (this happens a lot with SPT winners).

West Lothian is pretty much sewn up at this point, as is Falkirk other than some adjustments being made, the other contracts are fine for a few years.

It really is just with the contracts with City of Edinburgh Council you need to see what happens there. Unless of course McGill's use Midland Bluebird to win and operate more SPT contracts as seen with the 312.
A pilot scheme that aims to stop Falkirk Council paying for empty buses to run on rural routes will be tried next year, councillors have agreed.

Bus services around Whitecross, Standburn and Wallacestone will be replaced with a bookable service from next April and if successful it will then be rolled out to other areas.

Officers told members of Falkirk Council’s executive today (Tuesday) that the new service would save money by no longer paying for “empty buses” on routes and would allow them to protect services.

Demand responsive transport (DRT) means that anyone wishing to get a bus will have to call or use an app in advance to book their place on either a minibus or taxi depending on the demand.

The service will continue to follow the timetable that is currently operating and passengers will pay the standard bus fare, with all concessions still valid.

The only difference, councillors were told, is that they will have to book the service at least two hours in advance.

Michael McGuinness, Falkirk Council’s head of planning, climate change and growth, said that they hoped that the changes would protect services as much as possible.

He said: “We believe that we can provide the existing timetables for those routes but they will be based on demand. What we are trying to avoid here is lots of empty buses travelling around the area.

“It is a pilot, so if it doesn’t work we’ll come back and explain ourselves.”

Labour councillor Siobhan Paterson called for more time to consider how the scheme would work as she said her Upper Braes constituents had many questions that she was unable to answer.

She suggested that officers should bring a further report to the council with more details about how the scheme will work in practice.

But members heard that if the scheme was to go ahead in April, work on procuring contracts would need to start immediately.

The Conservative group backed the SNP’s proposal to agree to the pilot, although Councillor James Kerr said it must not be to the detriment of people living in any outlying area.

SNP councillor Paul Garner said the council has looked at other local authorities to develop the scheme and promised that the trial will be “closely monitored” as the template will be used to roll out the service in other areas.

Introducing DRT was just one part of a wider review of transport planning that aimed to save money as the cost of subsiding buses has risen by around 33 per cent in recent years.

Falkirk Council spends nearly £1.6 million supporting local buses and other forms of public transport, such as Dial-a-Journey, every year.

Councillors heard that they are currently overspending by £270,000 and cuts to services that they are not legally obliged to provide would be necessary.

Councillors accepted proposals to amalgamate the F2 (Falkirk/Slamannan/Limerigg) and F29 (Falkirk/Shieldhill/California/Avonbridge) bus services from next April, which is expected to save around £75,000.

The current TaxiCard scheme will also end as councillors were told it costs far more to administrate than it offers in subsidy and has a small number of users.

However, councillors have agreed that any changes would not affect the Dial-a-Journey service, which provides door to door transport for people with mobility issues.
 
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The 312 wasn’t won by Midland Bluebird, it was a long term McGill’s contract. SPT were looking to make some reductions to the timetable and they could achieve greater financial savings if the contract was re-assigned to Midland Bluebird. Therefore, it suited both parties (and Falkirk Council) for it to move to Larbert depot, when a number of other network changes were being made in August.
McGill’s still maintain good relationships with the various local authorities, so of course they would be permitted to bid for any contracts that were being tendered. It’s fairly rare for any operator to be ‘banned’ from bidding for local authority contracts.
 

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The 312 wasn’t won by Midland Bluebird, it was a long term McGill’s contract. SPT were looking to make some reductions to the timetable and they could achieve greater financial savings if the contract was re-assigned to Midland Bluebird. Therefore, it suited both parties (and Falkirk Council) for it to move to Larbert depot, when a number of other network changes were being made in August.
McGill’s still maintain good relationships with the various local authorities, so of course they would be permitted to bid for any contracts that were being tendered. It’s fairly rare for any operator to be ‘banned’ from bidding for local authority contracts.
I didn't say it was "won" specifically by Midland Bluebird, I was saying it's a possibility to run more out of there as it's better on the mileage if future opportunities arise like anything in North Lanarkshire for example.

These contracts always change hands and some operators do give them up or collapse altogether. I also wasn't saying McGill's were being banned by any council over what happened in West Lothian or anywhere else.
 

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Any news on the X10/X10A cuts yet? Just wondering :)
That will be down to Stirling Council (not Midland Bluebird), so I’d imagine any news will likely be after theyve set their budget for the next financial year, which usually happens in February.
 

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More service changes are on the way: It looks like the full details are not out yet:


Thanks to suggestions from our customers and colleagues to improve our timekeeping, we are making some changes to a few of our timetables, starting on Monday 22 April.

X38 Falkirk – Edinburgh

We’re introducing a new timetable to make us more reliable. This includes adding an additional bus to the service to give us more time to recover after each journey.

Swift X36 X37 Stirling or Falkirk – Glasgow

There will be a new timetable to make us more reliable, still running up to every 30 mins at busy times. We are also adding an extra stop for Falkirk Wheel, the Boardwalk restaurant and Three Bridges Park & Ride on Millennium Wheel Drive on X37.

H1/H2 Forth Valley Royal Hospital – Alloa

We’ll introduce a new timetable to improve our timekeeping. Whilst the same number of journeys will continue to run, the times of your journey may change. There will be a minor route change in the Sauchie area with Mar Place no longer being served.

1 Maddiston – Falkirk – Dunipace

2 Forth Valley Royal Hospital – Falkirk – Bo’Ness

5 Hallglen – Falkirk – Langlees

7 Camelon Ochil Tree – Falkirk – Forth Valley Royal Hospital

38 Falkirk – Stirling

51 Stirling – Alloa

52 Stirling – Alloa

56 Stirling – Cowie

57 Raploch – Stirling – St Ninnians

59 Stirling - Callander

We’re introducing a new timetable on each of these routes to make us more reliable.
 
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There will be a new timetable to make us more reliable, still running up to every 30 mins at busy times. We are also adding an extra stop for Falkirk Wheel, the Boardwalk restaurant and Three Bridges Park & Ride on Millennium Wheel Drive on X37.
That stop hasn't been served by buses in a very long time. Not sure if it will be worth it or not, that car park is never busy and the restaurant is already accessible with the stop near the roundabout too.
 

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Where is green 0468? I haven’t seen it for a while.
 
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Has there been issues across all depots today as the journey cancellation list is huge, over 160+ journeys cancelled? Hope things aren't going the same way as what ended up at Livingston as up until today the cancellations had been very minimal
 
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I was on a B7RLE/Urban 2 a few days ago on which the yellow Check Engine symbol was flashing, and the yellow Check Engine text was lit. It felt like it was running on limp mode too but it could have just been the driver.
 

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I noticed today a registration for service 109 in East Lothian. Well out of their operation area. A lot of lost milage or a new outstation.
 

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