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Class 175 to GWR

Snow1964

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Still begs the question of whether any can operate in service before at least phase 1 is complete. Depends on what the upgrade is needed for, I suppose.
Possibly depot can be used, but not ideally configured, got to keep moving trains around to fuel them, empty toilets, clean inside, service engines. And every time one moves blocks others etc.

If the roads were set up for trains with power cars at the end, might not be easy to use multiple units currently
 
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Quick query, are the units at Wolverton still visible? If they're not I'm under the assumption that the work is being done, but how long does anybody reckon it will take? (No need to be specific, but just a general time scale based on how much work we reckon is being done there, as we still don't know the full details if I'm not mistaken.)

Much appreciate any answers in advance.
 

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Quick query, are the units at Wolverton still visible? If they're not I'm under the assumption that the work is being done, but how long does anybody reckon it will take? (No need to be specific, but just a general time scale based on how much work we reckon is being done there, as we still don't know the full details if I'm not mistaken.)

Much appreciate any answers in advance.
Taken inside the works last week, didn't see them on Monday when I passed by.
 

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Expect to see 175002 out and about between Plymouth and Newton Abbot Mon-Fri next week for driver manager training.
 

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Expect to see 175002 out and about between Plymouth and Newton Abbot Mon-Fri next week for driver manager training.
Brilliant! Some progress for the units and we'll be able to see them out and about

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Laira - Newton Abbot

Rest of them
 
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Brilliant! Some progress for the units and we'll be able to see them out and about

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Laira - Newton Abbot

Rest of them
Typical that I've only just come back from my holiday down there!!
 

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Indeed, potentially making any modifications to the Laira depot that Chester already has including the equipment to keep the underframe fully washed and clean - not that I doubt Laira has this capability but I’m sure they’ll be bits that Chester has that Laira hasn’t!
Chester Underframe wash was programmed to treat the various carriages differently to avoid dowsing the more sensitive bits of underfrane equipment,
 
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Expect to see 175002 out and about between Plymouth and Newton Abbot Mon-Fri next week for driver manager training.
I notice GWR have updated the K1 timetable on their website to V4 removing the black squares for IETs on services due to be operated with Class 175s but I do not know if this means the introduction of the Class 175s into GWR service is any closer.
 

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I may be travelling from Fareham to Bath or Bristol next Spring. I wonder how likely it is that the service will be using 175s by then?
 

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I may be travelling from Fareham to Bath or Bristol next Spring. I wonder how likely it is that the service will be using 175s by then?
Very likely that the 175s will be in service, but I don't believe they are planned for that route.
 

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Very likely that the 175s will be in service, but I don't believe they are planned for that route.
Correct, they're planned for use south of Exeter only and are not planned to visit Bristol unless plans change. Additionally, Portsmouth Harbour routes mentioned in the original text will be operated by 158s or, if you're unlucky, a turbo.
 

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Thank you for your updates. It does make sense to keep them under 1 roof, which will be in the Exeter area.

I may even add Exeter to Bristol and Fareham due to Stagecoach electric buses coming to Devon.
 

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Thank you for your updates. It does make sense to keep them under 1 roof, which will be in the Exeter area.

I may even add Exeter to Bristol and Fareham due to Stagecoach electric buses coming to Devon.
I would say it's the Exeter and Plymouth areas, as Laira appears to be the main maintenance depot for them. They also plan to go all the way to Penzance on non-London services, which is currently done by Castle HST sets and even a few IETs.

The Turbos and 158s while under the Exeter and Bristol areas, rarely run in passenger service between the two, usually only a few late night services that act as both final passenger services and depot moves. I believe the intention though is for 175s to allow 158s to be solely Bristol-based.
 

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I would say it's the Exeter and Plymouth areas, as Laira appears to be the main maintenance depot for them. They also plan to go all the way to Penzance on non-London services, which is currently done by Castle HST sets and even a few IETs.

The Turbos and 158s while under the Exeter and Bristol areas, rarely run in passenger service between the two, usually only a few late night services that act as both final passenger services and depot moves. I believe the intention though is for 175s to allow 158s to be solely Bristol-based.

The use of three car 158s on the Barnstaple line -they replaced class 143 Pacers- seems to have brought strong growth on the route; particuarly to Exeter in the mornings & back in the late afternoon. Trains are often full with some standing.

With the 158s due to leave the line, anyone know if three car 175s have more or fewer seats?
 

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The use of three car 158s on the Barnstaple line -they replaced class 143 Pacers- seems to have brought strong growth on the route; particuarly to Exeter in the mornings & back in the late afternoon. Trains are often full with some standing.

With the 158s due to leave the line, anyone know if three car 175s have more or fewer seats?
The 3x car 175s have about 10% seats fewer than the 3x car 158s, it seems.
 

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The 3x car 175s have about 10% seats fewer than the 3x car 158s, it seems.
The 2-car ones also appear to have 11 seats fewer than a 2-car 150 (136 vs 147 seats), which could be interesting on the Dartmoor line, especially when the new station opens (unless the route gets 3-car 175s).
 

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The beauty of the 175 is it can run in 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 formations. The only restricting factor is platform lengths on Okehampton and Barnstaple services, but there is probably a way round it with selective door closures.
 

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The 2-car ones also appear to have 11 seats fewer than a 2-car 150 (136 vs 147 seats), which could be interesting on the Dartmoor line, especially when the new station opens (unless the route gets 3-car 175s).
The Okehampton's are to be 3 car 175's.
 

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37501 has gone to Laira to support the 175 training.
By support, it’ll be acting as a thunderbird should any of the 175s fail whilst the driver managers are doing their training.

Small irony in that if any member of the GWR fleet needs a thunderbird at the moment, it’s the 57s…
 

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37501 has gone to Laira to support the 175 training.
Yes - it's to train drivers in the use of the emergency coupling adaptor and how to rescue a 175 with a loco.

It could also act as thunderbird in the event that the main line training train sits down - although a second 175 should always be available on Laira to rescue the first if necessary.
 

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The 3x car 175s have about 10% seats fewer than the 3x car 158s, it seems.
The 2-car ones also appear to have 11 seats fewer than a 2-car 150 (136 vs 147 seats), which could be interesting on the Dartmoor line, especially when the new station opens (unless the route gets 3-car 175s).
I don't know how different GWR 158s are internally from TfW's these days, but the 175s certainly have (or had, if GWR are changing the interior) fewer seats than the TfW 158s. The 175s have/had a significantly greater seat pitch though, meaning better legrooom - the wheelchair toilet on the 175s is probably bigger than that on the 158s too, so there are pros and cons with both. I don't think the TfW 150s have as many seats as even a 2-car 175 though, at least if you exclude tip-ups (a 150/2 is about 6 metres shorter than a 175/0 after all).
 

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