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Progress on Avanti West Coast's 805/807s Hitachi AT300 sets

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FrodshamJnct said:
I though the 80xs had speed set?
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They have a speed hold device which the driver has a choice of using or not. In any case, the fleet are currently limited to 109, mph through a soft limiter. But there are lots of places where non-tilting trains need to reduce speed. You wouldn't want to be doing 109mph through Atherstone for instance.

An experienced retired Avanti driver says that there are a lot of diagrams where the speed set might not be used because drivers will coast to dissipate time, especially where they know that they are approaching a junction - and they need to arrive at the junction at the right time to hit their slot through it. Using speed set might mean an early arrival and sitting at red signals.

Then again, some train operating companies encourage early running because under certain circumstances they may even be allowed ahead of their booked path.
 
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My first trip on an 807 today. A perfectly comfortable and well-performing train, but (and apologies if this has been discussed in the previous 136 pages) just half a coach of First Class, and half a coach of Standard Premium, on the hourly Liverpool/Euston service? Not impressed with that!
 
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Falcon1200 said:
My first trip on an 807 today. A perfectly comfortable and well-performing train, but (and apologies if this has been discussed in the previous 136 pages) just half a coach of First Class, and half a coach of Standard Premium, on the hourly Liverpool/Euston service? Not impressed with that!
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There is the second additional Pendolino service as well, albeit only 4 each way currently, but 4 more each way being added in September.

Originally the 807s weren't having Std Prem, just First as per the 805s.
 
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Falcon1200 said:
Going to two Liverpool/Euston trains an hour will certainly help, when it happens. But I still foresee First Class being oversubscribed on popular services formed by a Class 807!
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First Class useage is fairly down I understand, not helped by:

- essentially doubled fares
- Standard Premium offering
- reduced First Class seating
- poorer catering offer
- more employers banning First Class travel on expenses or even employees paying the difference themselves

It's been discussed in a few threads in the past couple of years. Certainly given the greater % of leisure travellers vs business travellers, I think Standard Premium is more popular but one could argue would that be the case if it didn't exist?
 
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hexagon789 said:
First Class useage is fairly down I understand, not helped by:
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I would agree, to some extent; However, yesterday I sat in Standard Premium rather than First Class because the latter was so busy! There is quite a difference in First Class seating availability between the 807s and the 390s, even with the latter's progressive reduction in First Class areas.
 
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Falcon1200 said:
I would agree, to some extent; However, yesterday I sat in Standard Premium rather than First Class because the latter was so busy! There is quite a difference in First Class seating availability between the 807s and the 390s, even with the latter's progressive reduction in First Class areas.
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I think perception plays a part, First Class is now normally just 1.5 or 0.5 of a coach on 390s, under Virgin it was originally 3.5 coaches worth. With so little space now, especially at weekends, it would seem busier even if there are fewer users overall.
 
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Zakaria Fadel said:
Can see why it didn’t get delivered last week then.
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It must of been ready as they wouldn’t have planned for it to leave, including the hiring of a Gbrf loco to travel to Darlington to collect it to start its testing. Obviously a fault occurred.
 
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Travelled on one today from lime st to Euston
pleasant, but crush loaded from Crewe
when is the full half hourly option starting
also bemused by announcements re stopping patterns… says stopping at Liverpool SP…. Tho obviously went straight through
no reservations either
seems Liverpool not yet getting the best deal here
 
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Urban-Savage said:
Travelled on one today from lime st to Euston
pleasant, but crush loaded from Crewe
when is the full half hourly option starting
also bemused by announcements re stopping patterns… says stopping at Liverpool SP…. Tho obviously went straight through
no reservations either
seems Liverpool not yet getting the best deal here
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4 more each way added in September (these will all be Pendolinos), not sure if December is to bring more.
 
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on a 807 right now and got to say the ride quality is rather bad, around bends nearly everybody has spiled their drink at one point or another
can see why tilting helps on the 390's and 221's
 
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