Were you a guard on the South Western division in the mid 80s incidentally? If so we'd have probably crossed paths at some point during my school commutes...
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Were you a guard on the South Western division in the mid 80s incidentally? If so we'd have probably crossed paths at some point during my school commutes...
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D6130
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No....I was a guard at Brighton on the Central Division - although I worked through to Portsmouth and Salisbury on the South Western. However a decade earlier I was commuting from Petersfield to Guildford, Woking, Wimbledon and Waterloo at different times in SWD BIG/CIG/VEP units.
contrex
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I've just remembered that I read somewhere years ago that motormen/drivers gave the CEPs and BEPs a nickname, 'Jingles', but I have never, despite asking here and elsewhere, had it confirmed, or explained. I suppose it was because of sounds emitted by the motor bogies, although I never heard a 'jingly' sound.
D6130
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Are you sure it wasn't 'Jiggles'?....because that's what the motor bogies - above which the driver sat - did most of the time!
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Yes, very pertinent observations. I agree with all of this.
Ah, ok, fair enough. I was aware you commuted on the line back in the seventies as I've seen your "back in the day" reports (which is quite a good insight into unit allocations back then).
contrex
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Well, here are 7002 & 7001 at Seaford with the Southern Electric Group's "The Jingle Belle" rail tour, on 11 Dec 1982.Are you sure it wasn't 'Jiggles'?....because that's what the motor bogies - above which the driver say - did most of the time!
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Festive themed named tour
D6130
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My thoughts exactly!
contrex
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Or punning double meaning
norbitonflyer
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Like the "Skirl o' the Pipes" Tour - the first to take a 33/1 ("Bagpipe") north of the border.
contrex
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I now think I read about the 'Jingles' name on the good old uk.railway Usenet group, and I'm trying to remember the name of a well known retired SED guard who used to post there. It was over 20 years ago, so I think he may no longer be with us. [REMEMBERED: Bill Hayles] I am making use of my Usenet account to get headers back to 1999 so far.
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frodshamfella
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I remember on the individual compartments, some would have a mirror which has the Southern route network etched on it. I think most of these were unscrewed and pinched.
ChiefPlanner
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Or along with the seat bases , flung out of the windows (regrettably)
contrex
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And the light bulbs
Indeed, as discussed in this thread from 2020 (I presume you mean specifically the South Eastern Division rather than the South East as a whole): https://www.railforums.co.uk/thread...ng-before-the-central-division-did-so.208322/
Yes, the Kent coast lines.
Sad Sprinter
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I was born only in 1995 but remember the standard compartments well. I used to travel on SWT a lot with my father and would always try and get a train that had one. For some reason not all stock had standard compartments. Travelled on SWT 4CEPs/4VEPs (including a CEP on the West Croydon to Guildford train) and Connex 4CIGs - never made it over to the South Eastern until the Electrostar years or even the Javellin years.
That is a really fascinating discussion, shame it's closed.
Interesting to see the rationale for early withdrawal of buffets on the South Eastern as a lack of long-distance commuting by the 80s, with Medway being a more significant commuting destination than the far east.
I have 1981 CWNs for the whole of the Southern, kindly sent to me privately a couple of years ago.
These reveal that by 1981, BEPs were restricted to boat trains from Victoria, plus one morning Ramsgate-Victoria peak service and one evening Victoria-Ramsgate peak service (the 1754, so presumably the prime peak service). These were interworked with boat trains.
These were gone by 1982 (which I also have the CWNs from) though interestingly the 1754 Ramsgate, now a 12CEP, was still interworked with a boat train for at least part of the year.
Many thanks. More or less coincided with the demise of catering elsewhere on the South Eastern then.
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Hope this may be of interest to someone ? clearing out a shed recently I found a couple of relics from the nineties,first, a watch given to me for good attendance as I recall (long time ago note the legend) second a locally made badge bemoaning ( or celebrating, the demise of the EPBs) and an EPB key made of a light alloy of some kind,only one I have ever seen !
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Sun Chariot
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That EPB badge is fabulous. The oldest of the underframes, reused on 1951 EPB builds, deserve a badge to themselves!
norbitonflyer
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I can't think of any that didn't - but usually just the one, so not always easy to find. Even the refurbished CEPs had one
The VEPs had one in each driving trailer, between the open 2nd class salonn and the 1st class compartmnents
The CICs and BIGs had one in one driving trailer only, again between the open 2nd class salonn and the 1st class compartmnents
(but in the VEPs the open salonn was at the driving, and in the BIGS and CIGs the comaprtments were)
As built the CEPs had one trailer with 4 1st class and 3 2nd class compartments. These were later converted with two of the 2nd class compartments replaced by a guards/luggage compartment