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TfW have purchased the Mk4 stock and have enough vehicles to make all the sets 5 coaches + a DVT. And they have a Restaurant Car selling hot food - something the Mk5 sets don't have - just a trolley service.

Apologies again - what should the last day of service be for the HSTs?

Every 5th carriage was Built with a Driving cab so the driver just changes ends and the sets run Push/Pull It is only a small section of the coach that is used for the cab - like an Emu. https://peter749.piwigo.com/picture?/41371/category/450-october_to_december_2019 Unlike the Chiltern sets...

Thanks - that is brilliant. So I'm not going mad then ;)

AFAIK the Merseyrail trains don't show on RTT.

All the way back to Manchester - must have been a small rake of stock. That makes sense - thanks. Peter

I have in my records from 1985 31415 working a 1Z15 from Luton to Manchester Piccadilly on 30 Nov 1985 but I cannot find any other info. Can anyone help? TIA Peter

Slightly OT - who was going to get the 185s and what will they use now?

The term "Bubble Car" normally refers to a Single Unit DMU - Like a Class 121 or 122 or Iris from the Ecclesbourne Valley Railway

And 309s :)

That is quite helpful Thanks Peter 1681758327 That is unusual as some platforms won't take more than 3 coaches.

Thanks for the link to that website - quite a lot of info there :) Peter

Is there a list on one of the pages showing which 507/508 units have been withdrawn? Or is it a case of looking thru all 17 pages of this thread? Thanks

Northern Fleet had a problem with the VCB causing all the units to be run on Diesel so that might have affected the numbers and reliability They seem to work ok on Electric but will do less on the south side from 11 Dec.

To view train routings around the country for when I go out travelling - The PSUL is also very useful for working out interesting routings In the past the WTTs had more info than other than other sources And I don't have to pay for it as I have to watch the pennies now I'm retired Peter

I wonder how they managed to leave out the Platform numbers at the stations? 1670159417 Thanks for the offer but I was mainly looking at Freight Workings around Manchester although they have not changed much. RTT does a good job of working out what goes where and it has Platform Numbers :)

Why are the December WTT's so bad? For some reason the timetables are in Excel format - which is not too bad - but the amount of extra lines in the spreadsheets is silly. Every location has 4 or 5 lines for arr - but not every one is used pass - not required in the past as a train not...

A driver manager at Northern who I asked about why just running on Diesel said the 769s kept tripping the OHLE in Electric mode - even though the 319s don't suffer the problem - if the driver opens the throttle slowly. You wonder how the 319s have run for so long without any problems

That seems to have changed as 2J95 and 2J96 do not run any more. Peter

Thanks Philipe - I will avoid them for a bit