dvboy
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In other words, not 3+2 seating like the 350/2s
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Class 350 on testing for TPE
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In other words, not 3+2 seating like the 350/2s
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anthony263
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Similar seating arrangement to the class 185's I believe.
There is a video on youtube showing what the interiors are likely to be like
There is a video on youtube showing what the interiors are likely to be like
WatcherZero
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Class377 is right, even after May 2014 timetable they are planning to be putting 185's into some of the busiest weekend services, there frankly isnt enough 350's on order to double up all the required weekend services without supplementing with a couple of 185's though in the week they should be able to cope without the help of 185's.
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If the new units are going to have one third two third doors then they won't be Intercity style trains whatever the internal set up. If they are to be like the SWT 444 units, with doors at the end of the carriage, then there's hope for improvement on the 185s which are highly unsuitable for the WCML services that they operate.
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They're just going to be 350s, with doors the same as the rest
LNW-GW Joint
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Having end gangways also disqualifies them as inter-city stock for me.
I think they mean seating layout (2x2 and reasonable knee room).
The current 350/1s are nice trains overall though.
Unlike 185s they are very quiet without the noise and vibration from those pesky underfloor diesels.
By comparison the 350/2s are horrid, cramped trains with a metro ambience, despite being identical dynamically.
LM seem to delight in putting unsuitable 350/2s on Birmingham-Liverpool services rather than 350/1s.
At least TPE can't do that on Manchester-Scotland (and they will have a trolley, something else LM got rid of).
I very much agree and I agree that the 350/1 units are decent enough trains - on a route such as Euston to Rugby (or Birmingham at a push), but they're just not suitable for Manchester - Glasgow/Edinburgh. Its a shame that an AC version of the 444 wasn't specified. Much as I tend to dislike Virgin stock they at least feel like an Intercity train and I'll be sticking with them on my future journeys to Scotland!
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You can't specify a 444 as they can't made any more. Only reason they got a 350 was because they tagged it on the end of the LM order. Going for anything else would haven meant that no EMU would have been in service until later in 2014.
But a 350 feels more spacious than a 390 and I know I'd rather do the Desiro to Scotland anyway.
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By far the better train on the WCML. Can you imagine the TPE services with end doors, it would be horrendous.
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While I'm not familiar with the Scottish service or via Bolton, TPE with end doors is not the best.
TPE is part intercity and part commuter so not current stock would be suitable. Will be interesting to see what stock/layout it gets when the EMUs arrive in force.
edwin_m
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Having doors part way down the coach doesn't affect the level of comfort much, provided the doors themselves give a good seal and don't rattle. Plug doors as fitted to the 350 are much better in this respect than the sliding doors on older units. This layout also gives room for people to stand, rather than blocking the aisles and making life difficult for those who do have seats. Even if they avoid Bolton I think some of these units will be full and standing some of the time.
As an example, I think most people would agree that the interior of a 170, as fitted out for CrossCountry for instance, is much better than that of a Voyager.
As an example, I think most people would agree that the interior of a 170, as fitted out for CrossCountry for instance, is much better than that of a Voyager.
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