00 Gauge APT-P

[rdlover777]

hello all, i'm just wondering how much would it cost to buy a Hornby APT-P and converting it to look like this

thats also including the amount i'll need to buy extra coaches to do cut and shut jobs as well as paying an expert to paint it

thanks in advanced

rdlover777~

 

[Tim R-T-C]

Well there is an ATP on eBay at the moment for £395 with five coaches, probably allow about the same money per set to buy the extra packs to make the extra coaches, giving you about £1000 of models. Coaches won't often come up on their own, unless in junk condition.

Custom painting will be very expensive, given that they will have to essentially design a livery based on the small 2d diagram and design custom decals and lettering. That will be minimum of £500 I would guess, probably heading up to another £1000.

 

[rdlover777]

Well there is an ATP on eBay at the moment for £395 with five coaches, probably allow about the same money per set to buy the extra packs to make the extra coaches, giving you about £1000 of models. Coaches won't often come up on their own, unless in junk condition.

Custom painting will be very expensive, given that they will have to essentially design a livery based on the small 2d diagram and design custom decals and lettering. That will be minimum of £500 I would guess, probably heading up to another £1000.

thanks, i'm just wondering because i would love to have a fleet of these in this livery
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Well there is an ATP on eBay at the moment for £395 with five coaches, probably allow about the same money per set to buy the extra packs to make the extra coaches, giving you about £1000 of models. Coaches won't often come up on their own, unless in junk condition.

Custom painting will be very expensive, given that they will have to essentially design a livery based on the small 2d diagram and design custom decals and lettering. That will be minimum of £500 I would guess, probably heading up to another £1000.

also i found one going £85

 

[deltic1989]

thanks, i'm just wondering because i would love to have a fleet of these in this livery

Depending on the size of your fleet, it might work out cheaper to buy a real one.

These things very rarely come up, and when they do they ain't cheap. I'm good nick you wont get much change out of £400 in most cases, and the cheaper ones will most likely be knackerd.
If you did manage to get hold of one, you could paint it yourself, with a steady hand and good masking, it shouldn't be an issue. Painting it would destroy its value, but its your model.

 

[sprinterguy]

Well there is an ATP on eBay at the moment for £395 with five coaches, probably allow about the same money per set to buy the extra packs to make the extra coaches, giving you about £1000 of models.

That's one that's already had a lot of work done to it; DCC fitted, LED lights, interior painted and passengers added. Sets in original condition generally sell somewhat cheaper, although it will nonetheless be an expensive and probably protracted process collecting together enough sets to perform the necessary "cut and shut" alterations to create the intermediate carriages.

 

[DaleCooper]

also i found one going £85

Did you mean the one at £84? That's an auction with 5 days left, the bids will probably go much higher in the last few minutes. There's another at £215 which is "buy-it-now".

 

[SpacePhoenix]

I saw one once on ebay where someone had made one up to full length. The normal 5 car APTs tend to always sell for at least £100 if they are in working condition. When looking at any APT listing check the state of the plastic wiring on the top of the power car and that the pantograph is present

 

[rdlover777]

I saw one once on ebay where someone had made one up to full length. The normal 5 car APTs tend to always sell for at least £100 if they are in working condition. When looking at any APT listing check the state of the plastic wiring on the top of the power car and that the pantograph is present

cool, thanks

 

[Bevan Price]

I saw one once on ebay where someone had made one up to full length. The normal 5 car APTs tend to always sell for at least £100 if they are in working condition. When looking at any APT listing check the state of the plastic wiring on the top of the power car and that the pantograph is present

They must have had a big layout to run a 14 vehicle formation without the front end always appearing to try and catch the tail end......

 

[SpacePhoenix]

They must have had a big layout to run a 14 vehicle formation without the front end always appearing to try and catch the tail end......

If Hornby had ever done all the required coaches for a full length Eurostar that would need a very big layout. Probably either of them would need at least two motors

 

[centraltrains]

You would need 5 APTs...
Apart from the part "cut and shut jobs" If that means cutting the ends of and swapping them out I would advise you just cut the window sections out and add new windows...

There is a split set up on ebay ATM with 2 coaches at £30 each. Might be in your favour...
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[deltic1989]

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[Johnuk123]

They must have had a big layout to run a 14 vehicle formation without the front end always appearing to try and catch the tail end......

My neighbour has an 00 gauge layout in a converted chicken shed which is about 90ft. long by varying widths, he has a strictly inter-war theme and he runs 15 carriage and 50 truck trains which look perfect on a layout that big.

 

[rdlover777]

wow, this thread is still alive?

 

[trainmania100]

Youll be lucky to run an APT that long, my HST Ringfield motors only just manage 10 cars with perfect traction tires

 

[rdlover777]

Youll be lucky to run an APT that long, my HST Ringfield motors only just manage 10 cars with perfect traction tires

you should of seen my uncle's one, it was able to fifteen mk 3's once.

 

[SpacePhoenix]

Many years ago now Model Rail reviewed a motor system for models that was really powerful, think it might have been called something like "Dynamo". I think it was a centrally mounted motor with drive shafts to each bogie

 

[rdlover777]

Many years ago now Model Rail reviewed a motor system for models that was really powerful, think it might have been called something like "Dynamo". I think it was a centrally mounted motor with drive shafts to each bogie

cool, although i think the hornby APT's motor was bogie mounted

 

[455driver]

Many years ago now Model Rail reviewed a motor system for models that was really powerful, think it might have been called something like "Dynamo". I think it was a centrally mounted motor with drive shafts to each bogie

Dynadrive.

 

[SpacePhoenix]

Did anything happen in the end with the APT's that some other company was going to make? iirc they were going to see how many orders they got

 

[sprinterguy]

Did anything happen in the end with the APT's that some other company was going to make? iirc they were going to see how many orders they got

Rapido Trains have produced a model of the experimental gas turbine powered APT-E. I might have missed something, but I'm not aware of anyone proposing an updated model of the APT-P.

 

[AnonymousUser1]

Youll be lucky to run an APT that long, my HST Ringfield motors only just manage 10 cars with perfect traction tires

however multiple power car / power bogies on dcc might well deal with that ...

 

[rdlover777]

however multiple power car / power bogies on dcc might well deal with that ...

the real APT-P had two powers cars, so i'll also have two
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Depending on the size of your fleet, it might work out cheaper to buy a real one.

These things very rarely come up, and when they do they ain't cheap. I'm good nick you wont get much change out of £400 in most cases, and the cheaper ones will most likely be knackerd.
If you did manage to get hold of one, you could paint it yourself, with a steady hand and good masking, it shouldn't be an issue. Painting it would destroy its value, but its your model.

by fleet i mean two half sets

 

[trainmania100]

I am looking around to get myself an APT set, ive currently got one of the driving cars - quite a few individual pieces going on eBay recently

 

[AnonymousUser1]

when people comment about the tractive effort of models , it sort of forgets that you tend to only have one bogie powered i nthe average model ...