10 car 390?

[stan claire]

Seen this on RTT https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:L33800/2023-09-26/detailed#allox_id=0
Shows 390130 as a 10-car unit with coach D missing. Is this an issue on their end?

 

[wls1]

Appears to be an issue on avanti's end, ran 1S98 1930 from Euston yesterday 26th, ran as 390130 as a 10 car. Its inbound journey to Euston on 1A63 1635 MAN - EUS ran as 390130 as 11 coaches. An error with the info that is provided to RTT

Realtime Trains | 1A63 1635 Manchester Piccadilly to London Euston | 25/09/2023

Real-time train running information for 1A63 1635 departure from Manchester Piccadilly to London Euston on 25/09/2023. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

 

[Some guy]

I saw this at Carlisle it was advertised on the screens as a 10 car voyager with first class at centre and rear and then it rolled in being an 11 car pendolino

 

[stan claire]

https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:L33800/2023-09-26/detailed#allox_id=0 wait no I mean this

 

[Meyrick]

There's an issue internally with the consist which is then being fed to TRUST and RTT.. Don't worry, it's still an 11-car. 69630 has gone walkies in the system.

 

[Wyrleybart]

Appears to be an issue on avanti's end, ran 1S98 1930 from Euston yesterday 26th, ran as 390130 as a 10 car. Its inbound journey to Euston on 1A63 1635 MAN - EUS ran as 390130 as 11 coaches. An error with the info that is provided to RTT

Realtime Trains | 1A63 1635 Manchester Piccadilly to London Euston | 25/09/2023

Real-time train running information for 1A63 1635 departure from Manchester Piccadilly to London Euston on 25/09/2023. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

Would have been impossible to shunt a coach out the formation in Euston as IIRC they are bar coupled.

 

[Clouds]

Was on 1A63 1635 Manchester Piccadilly to London Euston on the 25th - was definitely an 11 car despite the boards suggesting otherwise

 

[Kaput]

Didn't think it was even physically possible for 390/1's to run as anything other than 11 car (and 390/0's to run as anything other than 9 car) due to the layout of the motors and transformers.

 

[hexagon789]

Didn't think it was even physically possible for 390/1's to run as anything other than 11 car (and 390/0's to run as anything other than 9 car) due to the layout of the motors and transformers.

I'm sure others will correct if I'm wrong, but the possible combinations are 8, 9 or 11-cars. 10 is, as you say, not possible.

 

[Wyrleybart]

Didn't think it was even physically possible for 390/1's to run as anything other than 11 car (and 390/0's to run as anything other than 9 car) due to the layout of the motors and transformers.

IIRC the 11 car units have an extra tranny car in the middle. When they were upgraded from 9s to 11s the extra pairs of cars were delivered as erm pairs. But also, there is a 25kV bus bar along the roofs of the cars which presumably uses rather large bolts to join the links together above the gangways. Certainly not something a shunter could do, but whether a "trailer" could be knocked out of the set and still run would presumably depend on whether the TMS could show the new formation.

 

[185]

On RTT some of the 3-car 175s for TfW show the train misformed with a cab at one end, a cab in the middle and the train being driven from the middle coach's toilet.

Not to worry, knowing the electrics on the 175's I think the bog flush button will activate the brakes.

 

[Danfilm007]

On RTT some of the 3-car 175s for TfW show the train misformed with a cab at one end, a cab in the middle and the train being driven from the middle coach's toilet.

Not to worry, knowing the electrics on the 175's I think the bog flush button will activate the brakes.

Or given recent history, the bonfire button...

 

[Nick Ashwell]

On RTT some of the 3-car 175s for TfW show the train misformed with a cab at one end, a cab in the middle and the train being driven from the middle coach's toilet.

Not to worry, knowing the electrics on the 175's I think the bog flush button will activate the brakes.

It's the 170s as well

 

[_toommm_]

On RTT some of the 3-car 175s for TfW show the train misformed with a cab at one end, a cab in the middle and the train being driven from the middle coach's toilet.

Not to worry, knowing the electrics on the 175's I think the bog flush button will activate the brakes.

That one is I believe (from memory of what has been discussed on here) an error in how the data is given to RTT. Tom I believe applied a fix, but it seems to have reverted back.

‘Rubbish in, rubbish out’, as is often quoted.

 

[Purple Train]

That one is I believe (from memory of what has been discussed on here) an error in how the data is given to RTT. Tom I believe applied a fix, but it seems to have reverted back.

‘Rubbish in, rubbish out’, as is often quoted.

I seem to recall similar happening with Northern 319/769 and 323 units, though never with a 331. It seems to have been fixed now though.

 

[Nick Ashwell]

That one is I believe (from memory of what has been discussed on here) an error in how the data is given to RTT. Tom I believe applied a fix, but it seems to have reverted back.

‘Rubbish in, rubbish out’, as is often quoted.

Slight correction, data/IT staff generally, even in the UK, use the American term, Garbage In Garbage Out (GIGO being the acronym)