1450 Cardiff to Manchester - is it formed of a class 150 or 175

[northernrailer]

I have booked myself onto this service (1450 Cardiff to Manchester) in March, I have been told that this service come is formed of a class 150 from Carmarthen. Am I right in thinking that the 150 terminates at Cardiff and a 175 takes over as im sure that ive seen it done last year, or is the service booked a class 150 throughout. It then forms the 1830 from Manchester back to Carmarthen.

Its a Friday 11th March im travelling.

Cheers in advance

 

[PHILIPE]

I have booked myself onto this service (1450 Cardiff to Manchester) in March, I have been told that this service come is formed of a class 150 from Carmarthen. Am I right in thinking that the 150 terminates at Cardiff and a 175 takes over as im sure that ive seen it done last year, or is the service booked a class 150 throughout. It then forms the 1830 from Manchester back to Carmarthen.

Its a Friday 11th March im travelling.

Cheers in advance

How can it be a through train if it changes units at Cardiff ?
Who told you that about a 150 ? Booked 175 (through of course)

 

[Parallel]

Perhaps whoever gave this information used a through service but there was a set swap at Cardiff (Possibly after an earlier fault meaning a 150 had to be temporarily sourced)

 

[ValleyLines142]

It will most likely be a 175 (could be a 158, or if you're really unlucky a 150).

 

[krus_aragon]

How can it be a through train if it changes units at Cardiff?

I've been on many a late-night through service to North Wales, only to be asked to change train at Chester (where the 175's depot is).

 

[Greenback]

I've known unexpected set swaps to take place at Cardiff on trains from west Wales to Manchester. I'd guess that's what happened, and whoever told northernrailer assumed it was normal.

 

[PHILIPE]

I've known unexpected set swaps to take place at Cardiff on trains from west Wales to Manchester. I'd guess that's what happened, and whoever told northernrailer assumed it was normal.

Probably a 175 had become available to work forward from Cardiff on that occasion so were able to take the 150 out. A little confusing though with the request suggesting it could be booked to change units en route.

 

[Gareth Marston]

1450 is very often my regular returning from Cardiff it is 2 car 175 that comes in from west of Cardiff, never known it to be swapped with another unit in .Cardiff.

 

[tiptoptaff]

As has been said above I would surprised if it wasn't a 175 - however it has been known for 150s and 158s to be subbed in for whatever reason, and there is a 150+158 Cardiff to Manc diagram on a Sunday...

 

[berneyarms]

On that last point...

What are the 150 and 158 diagrams in South Wales and on the Marches line on Saturdays and Sundays?

I've worked out the weekday integration but the weekend is still that bit more tricky!

 

[PHILIPE]

On that last point...

What are the 150 and 158 diagrams in South Wales and on the Marches line on Saturdays and Sundays?

I've worked out the weekday integration but the weekend is still that bit more tricky!

As far as I know but don't take it as gospel.

SATURDAYS
158
1V49 06 13 Shrewsbury to Maesteg

1W76 19 16 Maesteg to Manchester Picc

1V34 06 30 ManchesterPicc to Milford Haven
1W66 13 10 Milford haven to Manchester Picc
1V64 19 30 Manchester Picc to Cardiff Cen.

SUNDAYS
158
1W26 15 15 Milford Haven to Manchester Picc (May be 150 Attached - not 100% sure))

1V16 14 30 Manchester Picc to Milford Haven to Cardiff Cen (with 150)

150
1W07 10 34 Cardiff Cen to Manchester Picc
1V16 14 30 Manchester Picc to Milford Haven (+ 158 to Cardiff)

There could be others on a Sunday.

 

[craigybagel]

As far as I know but don't take it as gospel.

SATURDAYS
158
1V49 06 13 Shrewsbury to Maesteg

1W76 19 16 Maesteg to Manchester Picc

1V34 06 30 ManchesterPicc to Milford Haven
1W66 13 10 Milford haven to Manchester Picc
1V64 19 30 Manchester Picc to Cardiff Cen.

SUNDAYS
158
1W26 15 15 Milford Haven to Manchester Picc (May be 150 Attached - not 100% sure))

1V16 14 30 Manchester Picc to Milford Haven to Cardiff Cen (with 150)

150
1W07 10 34 Cardiff Cen to Manchester Picc
1V16 14 30 Manchester Picc to Milford Haven (+ 158 to Cardiff)

There could be others on a Sunday.

The 1430 Manchester-Milford Haven is now 158+150 all the way to Whitland. The 150 comes off there and runs to Pembroke. It's not booked as a through train but there are some regulars who know about it and board the 150 accordingly.

A 158 stables in the bay platforms at Piccadilly on a Saturday night and gets attached to one of the Sunday afternoon services - it used to be the 1430 mentioned above with the 158 on the rear coming off at Cardiff. Now the 158 is on the front and goes through to Milford it seems to go on one of the other services (Possibly the 1330?). That said, it's hard to work out what the current Sunday diagrams are, since there are so many amendments every week.

Saturday looks to be bang on - although the diagram that starts with the 0630 Manchester - Milford Haven is one of those more prone to have a 150 turn up.

 

[PHILIPE]

There might be another twist to this re 14 30 Manchester to Milford Haven. One would assume, the 158 on rear being at Manchester Picc already off last Chester Saturday. This, after reversals at Swansea and Carmarthen, would see the 150 leading on arrival at Whitland. The 20 37 to Pembroke Dock is booked (according to RTT and other open sites) to depart from Platform 3, the Bay on the Downside. Last year, when the 158 came off at Cardiff, there was a 19+53 from Carmarthen (175) which shunted into the Bay at Whitland to form the 20 37.
Now I'm wondering . especially as there is no movement shown to the Bay in RTT and the Milford Haven is allowed 8 minutes at Whitland, the 150 detaches from the front and shunts out of the way to the Bay with a shunt movement so "localised" it wouldn't appear in RTT.

 

[craigybagel]

There might be another twist to this re 14 30 Manchester to Milford Haven. One would assume, the 158 on rear being at Manchester Picc already off last Chester Saturday. This, after reversals at Swansea and Carmarthen, would see the 150 leading on arrival at Whitland. The 20 37 to Pembroke Dock is booked (according to RTT and other open sites) to depart from Platform 3, the Bay on the Downside. Last year, when the 158 came off at Cardiff, there was a 19+53 from Carmarthen (175) which shunted into the Bay at Whitland to form the 20 37.
Now I'm wondering . especially as there is no movement shown to the Bay in RTT and the Milford Haven is allowed 8 minutes at Whitland, the 150 detaches from the front and shunts out of the way to the Bay with a shunt movement so "localised" it wouldn't appear in RTT.

It's a different 158, it doesn't use the set stabled in Manchester anymore. The 150 is on the back leaving there (and on arrival at Whitland after two reversals) and merely detaches at Whitland - as far as I can tell.

 

[animationmilo]

Twice when I've seen the 14:30 Man-MFH on a Sunday it was a 3 car 175....

 

[berneyarms]

Twice when I've seen the 14:30 Man-MFH on a Sunday it was a 3 car 175....

What's booked and what can happen aren't always the same - in the event of a failure sets will swap around.

 

[craigybagel]

What's booked and what can happen aren't always the same - in the event of a failure sets will swap around.

Indeed - and with engineering work, unit shortages and the drivers work to rule things are especially inconsistent at the moment. For example, the 1515 off Milford Haven today was 7 cars by the time it got to Crewe tonight. You can bet that's not normal!

 

[PHILIPE]

What's booked and what can happen aren't always the same - in the event of a failure sets will swap around.

I believe it is a 175 during the Summer when the 10 34 Cardiff to Manchester starts back from Carmarthen.

 

[Gareth Marston]

What's booked and what can happen aren't always the same - in the event of a failure sets will swap around.

And if you go looking for something different to the usual 2 car 175 you could spend weeks trying every day before it happens

 

[craigybagel]

And if you go looking for something different to the usual 2 car 175 you could spend weeks trying every day before it happens

I worked it as a 3 car 175 only last week

 

[strettonarms96]

would someone be able to outline weekday diagrams that are NOT 175? Thanks

 

[PHILIPE]

would someone be able to outline weekday diagrams that are NOT 175? Thanks

www.railforums.co.uk/showthread.php?t=124812

Post#3. Posted only three weeks ago.

 

[Gareth Marston]

I worked it as a 3 car 175 only last week

That would be an improvement appreciated by the educational commuters at Hereford and at Shrewsbury!

 

[PHILIPE]

It's a different 158, it doesn't use the set stabled in Manchester anymore. The 150 is on the back leaving there (and on arrival at Whitland after two reversals) and merely detaches at Whitland - as far as I can tell.

Solved, I think:-

158 stabled attach rear 13 30 to 158 off 09 18 ex Cardiff.
14 30 worked by 158+150 both working in on 10 34 ex Cardiff. 150 then on rear to detach Whitland.

 

[craigybagel]

Solved, I think:-

158 stabled attach rear 13 30 to 158 off 09 18 ex Cardiff.
14 30 worked by 158+150 both working in on 10 34 ex Cardiff. 150 then on rear to detach Whitland.

So it would seem. Also the 1530 ex Manchester seems to be booked 150 x 2 now.

 

[PHILIPE]

So it would seem. Also the 1530 ex Manchester seems to be booked 150 x 2 now.

I'm not so sure about the 15 30. The outward 11 35 ex Cardiff was booked to be 175/1 off 0150 Fishguard Hbr to Cardiff but as this train on next to no occasion runs through to Cardiff due to Engineering Work it becomes stranded at Carmarthen. Thiscan be offset by a booked attached move from Cardiff Sunday night not taking place.

 

[craigybagel]

I'm not so sure about the 15 30. The outward 11 35 ex Cardiff was booked to be 175/1 off 0150 Fishguard Hbr to Cardiff but as this train on next to no occasion runs through to Cardiff due to Engineering Work it becomes stranded at Carmarthen. Thiscan be offset by a booked attached move from Cardiff Sunday night not taking place.

I'll keep an eye on it - it's been that way the last few times I've worked it and I don't think it was an amended diagram either.

 

[PHILIPE]

I'll keep an eye on it - it's been that way the last few times I've worked it and I don't think it was an amended diagram either.

Will look out for your reply.

 

[berneyarms]

So will I - thanks for these updates lads - I plan on sifting through them shortly!!

 

[craigybagel]

1530 was again 2 x 150 today, although theres lots of odd things happening on that route today. For example, the 2030 is currently showing 150 + 153 + 153.