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1992 stock Refurbishment?

RacsoMoquette

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Does anybody have an idea when the first refurbished units will take mainline service on the whole Central Line? Also are 91001 and 92001 working diagrams on the Hainult to Woodford shuttle daily or did they just enter service on 24th November 2023 for a pre service taster?
 
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Has TFL announced an initial starting date for full mainline operation of refurbished 1992TS units?
Not as yet. There doesn't tend to be any kind of 'official' announcement around things like this, rather it depends on in-the-know staff tipping off others.
 

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Did those units operate solely on the Hainaut to Woodford shuttle?

Also currently is the only one operational refurbished set, or are other refurbished units also operationl.
 

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Twitter has a post about a 92 Stock arson attack on Saturday night. I don't know which unit it was unfortunately. The damage looked extensive.
 

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Twitter has a post about a 92 Stock arson attack on Saturday night. I don't know which unit it was unfortunately. The damage looked extensive.
It needs a deep clean, some new flooring and some new cushions. Apparently the moquette didn't even catch fire. Word on the ground is it was fireworks.
 

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It needs a deep clean, some new flooring and some new cushions. Apparently the moquette didn't even catch fire. Word on the ground is it was fireworks.
That shows how much safer modern materials are.
 

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It seems that the significant damage is confined to the specific area where the bag was, rather than affecting the entire unit.
 

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I'm certainly not an engineer by any standard, and too dim to to be able to share the video here, but it seemed to need more than a deep clean as mentioned above.

Edit: I asked a colleague
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That's actually very reassuring about the fire safety of modern trains, if despite all that fire and smoke, that's the only extent of the damage of sustained. The lights are even still working!

Would hate to have seen how an old slam door coach would have fared in the same circumstances...

Will this affect the CLIP at all if extra resources have to be spent repairing this unit? Or does normal train maintenance already have capacity for unexpected damage like this?
 

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That's actually very reassuring about the fire safety of modern trains, if despite all that fire and smoke, that's the only extent of the damage of sustained. The lights are even still working!

Would hate to have seen how an old slam door coach would have fared in the same circumstances...

Will this affect the CLIP at all if extra resources have to be spent repairing this unit? Or does normal train maintenance already have capacity for unexpected damage like this?
As I said above, in a post that's then been misquoted as saying the train only needs a clean, all of the parts needed will most likely already be in depot stores, except perhaps the door under the perch seat but I've seen them fabricated on demand before. I'd be very surprised if it couldn't be done within standard depot resources, albeit perhaps increasing the overtime bill.

The biggest job will be the windows, unless any of the shunting controls have been damaged inside the shunting cabinet under the perch seat. Some depots can't do glass work in house and need contractors to come in and do it. However, I've seen them go for an entire door replacement in the past as it was quicker.
 

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As I said above, in a post that's then been misquoted as saying the train only needs a clean, all of the parts needed will most likely already be in depot stores, except perhaps the door under the perch seat but I've seen them fabricated on demand before. I'd be very surprised if it couldn't be done within standard depot resources, albeit perhaps increasing the overtime bill.

The biggest job will be the windows, unless any of the shunting controls have been damaged inside the shunting cabinet under the perch seat. Some depots can't do glass work in house and need contractors to come in and do it. However, I've seen them go for an entire door replacement in the past as it was quicker.
Interesting insight, TY.
 

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I think the smoke damage is making this look worse than it actually is, a lot of the damage looks cosmetic rather than structural.
 

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Will this affect the CLIP at all if extra resources have to be spent repairing this unit? Or does normal train maintenance already have capacity for unexpected damage like this?
The fleet is already extremely short due to a large number of faults, with severe delays being advertised every day for the past week, including right now.
 

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As I said above, in a post that's then been misquoted as saying the train only needs a clean, all of the parts needed will most likely already be in depot stores, except perhaps the door under the perch seat but I've seen them fabricated on demand before. I'd be very surprised if it couldn't be done within standard depot resources, albeit perhaps increasing the overtime bill.

The biggest job will be the windows, unless any of the shunting controls have been damaged inside the shunting cabinet under the perch seat. Some depots can't do glass work in house and need contractors to come in and do it. However, I've seen them go for an entire door replacement in the past as it was quicker.
Thanks for the informative reply. I didn't mean to imply that the damage was minor or cosmetic, far from it - I was more expressing surprise that the carriage wasn't completely destroyed by the fire, and does seem to be repairable.
 

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Disruption due to "shortage of trains" is a frequent occurrence on the Central line at the moment. In the short term (next 3~6 months) is the stock refurbishment going to improve this (e.g. trains currently inoperable due to motor problems being prioritised in the refurbishment programme)? Or is the stock refurbishment likely to exacerbate the problem until the full refurbishment is complete?
 

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Thanks for the informative reply. I didn't mean to imply that the damage was minor or cosmetic, far from it - I was more expressing surprise that the carriage wasn't completely destroyed by the fire, and does seem to be repairable.
You'd be surprised how modular things are now. You could probably dismantle the entire interior of any modern train with only two or three different tools.

I own a Dennis Trident and Volvo B7TL, and while both are buses, the entire interior is based around a 10mm socket/spanner! For a railway example look at how Avanti have changed their interior layout over the years, how XC removed buffets from the Voyagers, and I'm sure there are more examples.
 

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There is a notice on the SharePoint site containing the 1992 stock announcements:

"These announcements are temporary and are being used for testing purposes on the refurbished Central line trains. Therefore, please be advised that the contents may not reflect our latest customer language and/or insights as they have been recorded for use over a limited time period. We are also actively exploring the use of a female voice for permanent use on the refurbished Central line trains, which will better reflect our customer research findings."

Any ideas who this permanent female voice will be?
 

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There is a notice on the SharePoint site containing the 1992 stock announcements:

"These announcements are temporary and are being used for testing purposes on the refurbished Central line trains. Therefore, please be advised that the contents may not reflect our latest customer language and/or insights as they have been recorded for use over a limited time period. We are also actively exploring the use of a female voice for permanent use on the refurbished Central line trains, which will better reflect our customer research findings."

Any ideas who this permanent female voice will be?
A shame. I find the man's voice is easier to hear over rough paintwork etc
 

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