1D23 london st pancras-nottingham disorder this morning

[68001]

1D23 london st pancras-nottingham arrived into leicester 14 mins late and departed 31 late due to btp attending
due to disorder from the arsenal fans on the way to the game at leicester smoke bomb released onto the train
on route

 

[SussexSeagull]

Give them all inning orders and see how funny they find it then.

 

[swt_passenger]

Give them all inning orders and see how funny they find it then.

Cricket won’t want them either

 

[SussexSeagull]

Cricket won’t want them either

What do you think they do in the Summer with no football to watch?

 

[Trackman]

smoke bomb? I bet it was a flare, which are smoke bombs in their own right.

 

[WizCastro197]

OP, were you on this train?

 

[68001]

no was at leicester station when 1D23 pulled in heavy smell of smoke when doors released

 

[Andy Pacer]

The on route delay to Leicester may be unrelated as most journeys seemed to be losing time between Bedford and Sharnbrook Jct.

 

[baz962]

There definitely was a flare let off on an EMR service that had police attend.

The on route delay to Leicester may be unrelated as most journeys seemed to be losing time between Bedford and Sharnbrook Jct.

Track circuit down at Sharnbrook I believe. Trains were being directed on to the slow lines at Bedford north.

 

[Haywain]

OP, were you on this train?

I was on it from Kettering to Leicester. The initial delay was due to signalling problems meaning it had run on the slow from Bedford North to Sharnbrook (my 'Connect' service crawled down the slow all the way from Bedford to Kettering). On arrival at Leicester police were waiting on the platform and it was announced that there would be a delay in releasing the doors due to police attendance after a flare had been let off in the front coach filling the drivers cab with smoke. Aside from anything else it was frustrating for me to stand on my late arriving train waiting for the doors to open and watch my late departing connection leave without me.

 

[WizCastro197]

I was on it from Kettering to Leicester. The initial delay was due to signalling problems meaning it had run on the slow from Bedford North to Sharnbrook (my 'Connect' service crawled down the slow all the way from Bedford to Kettering). On arrival at Leicester police were waiting on the platform and it was announced that there would be a delay in releasing the doors due to police attendance after a flare had been let off in the front coach filling the drivers cab with smoke. Aside from anything else it was frustrating for me to stand on my late arriving train waiting for the doors to open and watch my late departing connection leave without me.

Sorry to hear that @Haywain, I hope you've claimed delay repay accordingly.

I was on a later train from St Pancras to Leicester (luckily Sheffield bound, so was a little faster), which still incurred delays up to 10 minutes (Track Circuit Failure and late departure from St P seem to the main causes). Sadly not enough to came Delay Repay.

 

[RJ]

That must have been very frustrating to be delayed. Some people would’ve opened the doors anyway.

But at the same time, the person who let off the flare in an enclosed space, in the leading carriage as well impacting on the driver’s vision needs to be removed from the general public asap and spend some time reflecting on what they did. The TM did the right thing waiting for the police to arrive.

 

[Haywain]

Sorry to hear that @Haywain, I hope you've claimed delay repay accordingly.

Naturally - some beer money heading my way!

That must have been very frustrating to be delayed. Some people would’ve opened the doors anyway.

The only consolation in watching my connection leave was that I only saw it because it was late! From the flow of people on the platform, I think some further up the train may have 'escaped' but it's not a bright thing to do with police on the platform.

 

[whoosh]

Can't have been nice to have been on board when it was set off.

 

[Haywain]

Can't have been nice to have been on board when it was set off.

You have to wonder about the sort of person who actually thinks that's in any way acceptable in a confined space.

 

[AlterEgo]

You have to wonder about the sort of person who actually thinks that's in any way acceptable in a confined space.

It’s not even acceptable in a football stand. Awful things.

 

[Haywain]

It’s not even acceptable in a football stand. Awful things.

Indeed, but at least the smoke will disperse a bit quicker. The train was full and standing, so there would have been no opportunity to get away from it.

 

[bramling]

Indeed, but at least the smoke will disperse a bit quicker. The train was full and standing, so there would have been no opportunity to get away from it.

Another illustration of the trouble caused by football fans. Whilst they’re by no means unique in causing problems, by the same token they certainly cause a disproportionate amount of trouble.

Must have been a pretty unpleasant experience for anyone else travelling, as well as dangerous.

 

[Haywain]

Another illustration of the trouble caused by football fans. Whilst they’re by no means unique in causing problems, by the same token they certainly cause a disproportionate amount of trouble.

Must have been a pretty unpleasant experience for anyone else travelling, as well as dangerous.

It's a minority. I was travelling to a football match too.

 

[Mitchell Hurd]

Sorry but if there's smoke in a carriage, don't keep them in the train and suffocate them!

 

[D6130]

as well impacting on the driver’s vision

Not only the driver's vision, but also their breathing, I would imagine. It wasn't by any chance @43066 , was it?

 

[43066]

Not only the driver's vision, but also their breathing, I would imagine. It wasn't by any chance @43066 , was it?

Nope. I sensibly opted to spend most of yesterday in the pub

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

Nope. I sensibly opted to spend most of yesterday in the pub

Good, you're better off well away from Gooners Mind you, not as bad as what you might find at Millwall or Stamford Bridge
(Would it be appropriate to drop a cheeky #C.O.Y.S. here)

You have to wonder about the sort of person who actually thinks that's in any way acceptable in a confined space.

It's disgraceful, but am I reading this right? I assumed a disruptive fan had set it off as a "joke," but it isn't clear, can someone clarify? For example:

due to disorder from the arsenal fans on the way to the game at leicester smoke bomb released onto the train

Due to the poor grammar (I won't apologise for calling it that, because it is - or maybe lack of grammar would be a more accurate way of putting it) I wasn't sure whether it meant. With punctuation it could mean different things.

due to disorder from the arsenal fans on the way to the game at leicester, smoke bomb released onto the train

Would suggest staff released a smoke bomb (I must confess I'm not familiar with these) to put passengers in order, a bit like how pepper spray or stuff is sometimes used by police, but this sounds exceptionally extreme and arguably abusive - I'd certainly see it that way if I was just a normal passenger - so I doubt this was the case.

due to disorder from the arsenal fans on the way to the game at leicester (smoke bomb released onto the train)

Would suggest the smoke bomb was the disorder.

 

[43066]

Good, you're better off well away from Gooners Mind you, not as bad as what you might find at Millwall or Stamford Bridge

Don’t let @Bantamzen hear you talking like that!

On a serious note, unfortunately this kind of behaviour is increasingly common. It may well have been set off accidentally, but that wouldn’t be much comfort for those on the train!

Would suggest staff released a smoke bomb (I must confess I'm not familiar with these) to put passengers in order, a bit like how pepper spray or stuff is sometimes used by police, but this sounds exceptionally extreme and arguably abusive - I'd certainly see it that way if I was just a normal passenger - so I doubt this was the case.

Sadly staff aren’t issued pyrotechnic devices to discipline passengers with. It’s a thought, though…. Maybe the detonators gathering dust in every cab could actually have a use, after all!

 

[dosxuk]

Indeed, but at least the smoke will disperse a bit quicker. The train was full and standing, so there would have been no opportunity to get away from it.

Flares are incredibly dangerous. Unfortunately most people who set them off are unaware of the dangers, thinking it's just a bit of a laugh.

They're literally designed to work underwater, they basically can't be extinguished once lit, and unless you have the materials to hand to suppress the flames, can easily set nearby objects on fire. Getting rid of the smoke is basically impossible other than ventilating the space.

If it was up to me they would be classed in the same way as knives, with severe punishments available to anyone carrying one without a valid reason. There is no reason for a football fan going to a match to have one on them.

 

[43066]

If it was up to me they would be classed in the same way as knives, with severe punishments available to anyone carrying one without a valid reason. There is no reason for a football fan going to a match to have one on them.

This is a very valid point.

 

[Haywain]

It's disgraceful, but am I reading this right? I assumed a disruptive fan had set it off as a "joke," but it isn't clear, can someone clarify?

Whilst I was on the train, I was in a different area and didn't even see (or look for) any smoke. By the time we were released from the train my only interest was heading to a pub for a beer to kill time.

Flares are incredibly dangerous. Unfortunately most people who set them off are unaware of the dangers, thinking it's just a bit of a laugh.

I hope you don't think anything I said supports the 'use' of them. My comment that the smoke will disperse more quickly outdoors is simply a statement of fact, the same as happens with cigarette smoke or 'vapes'.

 

[liamf656]

Can't have been nice to have been on board when it was set off.

Interesting to see this video doing the rounds! It was a friend of mine that took it

Here’s a photo of said train also taken by him

 

[Starmill]

Flares are incredibly dangerous. Unfortunately most people who set them off are unaware of the dangers, thinking it's just a bit of a laugh.

They're literally designed to work underwater, they basically can't be extinguished once lit, and unless you have the materials to hand to suppress the flames, can easily set nearby objects on fire. Getting rid of the smoke is basically impossible other than ventilating the space.

If it was up to me they would be classed in the same way as knives, with severe punishments available to anyone carrying one without a valid reason. There is no reason for a football fan going to a match to have one on them.

Indeed. It's already unlawful to misuse a distress flare in several ways, including firing them when there isn't an emergency happening, abandoning them, or not disposing of them with a registered provider. I don't know if it's actually an offence though, or if it is, which one. Setting one off in a confined area with lots of people present could justify an investigation for a public order offence.

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

Flares are incredibly dangerous. Unfortunately most people who set them off are unaware of the dangers, thinking it's just a bit of a laugh.

They're literally designed to work underwater, they basically can't be extinguished once lit, and unless you have the materials to hand to suppress the flames, can easily set nearby objects on fire. Getting rid of the smoke is basically impossible other than ventilating the space.

If it was up to me they would be classed in the same way as knives, with severe punishments available to anyone carrying one without a valid reason. There is no reason for a football fan going to a match to have one on them.

Completely agree and anyone sending one off on a train should be refused travel.