TrainGeekUK
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Or they’ll all start to vote for Mr Galloway and his party….
Same thing happened in Kirklees on an otherwise good day for the Labour Party. In my urban and "diverse" ward I'm fairly sure that the Gaza issue was a factor, but probably less so in the more rural ward my brother lives in.Oldham Labour loss to No Party Control. New councillors are independents running on the Gaza issue
Labour also briefing that they've lost the west Midlands election, with this quite unsavoury quote reported by BBC from a senior labour source
NEW: Number of council seats at 6 PM
LAB: 914 (+142)
LDM: 365 (+64)
CON: 360 (-349)
⚪️ IND: 193 (+83)
GRN: 105 (+43)
RA: 26 (+12)
⚫️ WPB: 4 (+4)
RFM: 1 (+1)
87/107 councils declared
Plus probably a lot of muslims not turning out for labour. Not really a gallowayesque candidate though.I think the London race as predicted will be tight, it's a case of the outer boroughs versus the inner boroughs on who decides the race.
Yet if you tell those folk what the causes are and the solutions needed, they disagree with them, thinking they are worse/unworkable/too radical to implement. In this instance the entire political system is broken, with particular emphasis on the voting system, but then proposing electoral reform leads to all sorts of headwinds in gaining support, and/or claims PR is worse. Things will not get better until we have a system that encourages better candidates to come forward and new ideas to flourish, something a least worst-style system shuts out.This is part of the problem Labour currently have. The government are clearly unpopular, but there’s no real enthusiasm for Labour, such as that seen in 1997. This then becomes tricky as you have to convince disaffected voters to switch sides and actively vote, not just stay at home. Simply not being the Tories might not be enough to secure Labour a majority.
This feeds in to part of the chatter around London today - a low turnout will like favour the conservatives as Khan’s detractors are more likely to have the motivation to go out and vote.
Perhaps the sad thing at the moment is the general apathy throughout politics in all parts of the UK.
The turnout in London was 40.5% down from 42% in 2021 but not terrible.
But is it fairly even across the city or are we seeing a fall in the inner area and an increase in the outer suburbs?
What’s the betting that tomorrow’s Hate Mail will concentrate on Leadsom’s petulant complaint on the BBC?
You can see the detailed figures at https://www.londonelects.org.uk/im-voter/election-progress/verification-and-turnout-data. Eyeballing those figures, I get a definite sense of inner London being a little lower than outer London, but only by a few %. However there are a couple of outliers that I imagine would be causing some panic: Bexley and Bromley - one of the most solidly Tory area - is showing 48%, while City and East - which would normally be solidly Labour - is coming in at just 31%. I would imagine you are looking at ULEZ anger pushing turnout at Bexley/Bromley and Gaza depressing it in muslim areas of east London.
What exactly is a Sheffield councillor going to do about Gaza?Sheffield has remained hung. The Conservatives lost their seat with Labour gaining seats from the Conservatives & Liberal Democrat’s. Labour did lose a seat in the Darnall ward to an Independent who campaigned on a pro Gaza policy.
There also seems to be a claim from LibDems (which I haven't been able to verify) that the Tories have lost every single seat in Cheltenham (where the LibDems control the council but the Parliamentary seat is a Tory-held marginal)
There also seems to be a claim from LibDems (which I haven't been able to verify) that the Tories have lost every single seat in Cheltenham (where the LibDems control the council but the Parliamentary seat is a Tory-held marginal)
The BBC is giving it as LD 36, Green 3, Ind. 1 and Conservative 0. The Conservatives lost all 6 of their councillors; Labour doesn’t appear to have had any (it is Cheltenham, after all).
Dorset has gone Lib Dem with 42 out of 82 seats, gaining 13 seats from Conservatives (now 30), also 4 Greens, 4 Independents and a token 2 for Labour.Of those still to come, it looks as though the Conservatives aren’t doing too well in Dorset. However, there is still the omnishambles of Warrington to come and I doubt if Labour are looking forward to that.
I see the Green party took the Byker Grove council seat from Labour, chances are with a pro-Palestine policy which is the Green party policy - or you could say pro Gazza. There's a joke in there, somewhere.Sheffield has remained hung. The Conservatives lost their seat with Labour gaining seats from the Conservatives & Liberal Democrat’s. Labour did lose a seat in the Darnall ward to an Independent who campaigned on a pro Gaza policy.
Still a great turnout. I bet local council election turnouts hover around the 20-25% mark (in London), never really looked it up.The turnout in London was 40.5% down from 42% in 2021 but not terrible.
And Walsall, where the Tories held all 12 of their seats that were up for election, and Labour lost a couple of seats to independents. Does anyone know if there were any special factors in Walsall?
Why did all the councillors have their trousers down?Sheffield has remained hung.
Byker Grove was actually filmed in Benwell, not Byker. Someone more familiar with ward boundaries might be able to confirm whether this would be in Benwell ward (Labour hold) or Elswick (green gain).I see the Green party took the Byker Grove council seat from Labour