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37099 Status

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Hello,

Does anyone have the status of 37099? I know its at Colnwick Depot but not sure how long. Its been there a while!

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I understand it had a generator fault but apparently is getting repaired as part of an E Exam.
 

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Seen this picture floating around social media channels of 37099 at Boden Engineeering with its split head box removed.

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Seen this picture floating around social media channels of 37099 at Boden Engineeering with its split head box removed.

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According to the Colas thread on Wnxx forum, the modification to the front end wasn't requested by Colas. Equally I was told by someone close to the owner was part of the sale conditions to Colas were to retain headcode boxes etc.
 

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According to the Colas thread on Wnxx forum, the modification to the front end wasn't requested by Colas. Equally I was told by someone close to the owner was part of the sale conditions to Colas were to retain headcode boxes etc.
I struggle to believe that. Why on earth would a contractor carry out additional work that they’re not being paid for?
 

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I struggle to believe that. Why on earth would a contractor carry out additional work that they’re not being paid for?

Indeed. Not only that but the nose-end doors have been removed and the space plated over and the headlight repositioned. Seems to be the sort of work done in connection with draughtproofing, possibly also after corrosion was discovered.
 

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I struggle to believe that. Why on earth would a contractor carry out additional work that they’re not being paid for?
I suspect they found corrosion in the bottom of the headcode boxes (very common on split box 37s) and decided it was easier to remove them.

37057 had the headcode boxes virtually rebuilt from new metal when restored at Barrow Hill when it was repainted green hence the corrosion wasn't present and the boxes were left in place when it was repainted into Colas livery.
 

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Does anyone know when 37099 will be released from its modifications?
From what I have heard it is getting a repaint and overhaul, due to be back out on the mainline in December. However considering how long 057 took I wouldn't make any promises
 

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37099s front ends have now been completed. 099 now looks like 116 apart from the fact that tail light LEDs have been fitted.
 

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I've been told that since Colas didn't give Boden permission to convert its front ends, a condition has been imposed that when it passes into preservation its split headboxes must be reinstated. Would this happen to be true?
 

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I've been told that since Colas didn't give Boden permission to convert its front ends, a condition has been imposed that when it passes into preservation its split headboxes must be reinstated. Would this happen to be true?
It probably is true as the contract stated that colas are to keep the split headboxes but obviously was not the case. I honestly don’t see the point in reinstating the boxes though because it’ll be costly and timely.
 

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It probably is true as the contract stated that colas are to keep the split headboxes but obviously was not the case. I honestly don’t see the point in reinstating the boxes though because it’ll be costly and timely.
For aesthetic and authenticity purposes I imagine
 

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I've been told that since Colas didn't give Boden permission to convert its front ends, a condition has been imposed that when it passes into preservation its split headboxes must be reinstated. Would this happen to be true?

It probably is true as the contract stated that colas are to keep the split headboxes but obviously was not the case. I honestly don’t see the point in reinstating the boxes though because it’ll be costly and timely.
Presumably the sale documents stated the headcode boxes be retained but that message was lost or overlooked somewhere. I was told the previous owners of the ex preserved class 37s have first refusal to buy the locos back when Colas dispose of it and if that happens I presume some arrangement will be reached either to have the boxes etc reinstated or more likely the price reduced to reflect the work to reinstate them which the owner may choose to do.
 

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For aesthetic and authenticity purposes I imagine
There are 14 37s (if you count 075) that have split head boxes so it isn’t much of a loss bear in mind that all 14 of the split headboxes 37s are in preservation and won’t be going anytime soon. The money used to reinstate the headboxes on 099 could be used to help bring 37s like 906 back to main line use instead. Even without headboxes 099 doesn’t look bad tbh
 
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There are 14 37s (if you count 075) that have split head boxes so it isn’t much of a loss bear in mind that all 14 of the split headboxes 37s are in preservation and won’t be going anytime soon. The money used to reinstate the headboxes on 099 could be used to bring 37s like 906 back to main line use instead. Even without headboxes 099 doesn’t look bad tbh

Can you explain how it costs the same amount to reinstate headcode boxes as to return a locomotive to main line use? I’d be interested to see how the figures compare.
 

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Can you explain how it costs the same amount to reinstate headcode boxes as to return a locomotive to main line use? I’d be interested to see how the figures compare.
I was just backing my point that I don’t see the point in reinstating the headcode boxes if there are other running examples with them. The money used to reinstate headcode boxes would not be enough to cover the cost of returning a loco to mainline use but it would help towards it. Which would seem more sensible because 099 is still able to go on to the mainline with or without the boxes.
 

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I was just backing my point that I don’t see the point in reinstating the headcode boxes if there are other running examples with them. The money used to reinstate headcode boxes would not be enough to cover the cost of returning a loco to mainline use but it would help towards it. Which would seem more sensible because 099 is still able to go on to the mainline with or without the boxes.

The rather more salient point is that if it was your locomotive that had been modified without agreement, you’d want it returned to its original state and the fact that other split box 37s survive in preservation is irrelevant.
 

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The rather more salient point is that if it was your locomotive that had been modified without agreement, you’d want it returned to its original state and the fact that other split box 37s survive in preservation is irrelevant.
I absolutely agree with you it wasn’t right that they modified the loco without permission. I thought colas owned if right? Or is there a separate owner? The owner of 099 should receive compensation to be honest so that it can go to it’s original state at no cost to the owner.
 

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I absolutely agree with you it wasn’t right that they modified the loco without permission. I thought colas owned if right? Or is there a separate owner? The owner of 099 should receive compensation to be honest so that it can go to it’s original state at no cost to the owner.
I Believe that, although it was not in the original contract / agreement, Colas Actually did want the head code boxes removed and agreed this as remedial work with Boden Rail. I think this was so that they could reduce the number of different front & Back end variations across their class 37 fleet.
 

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This revised front doesnt seem to have headboard brackets either.

What are 'headboard brackets'?? It's not a requirement of a locomotive to have a bracket for displaying headboards. It is necessary though to have a bracket for mounting a portable/temporary headlight/tail light.
 

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