43002 - Then & Now

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I was fortunate enough to travel behind HST power car 43002 from Reading to Didcot last week. The colour scheme looks great, especially when compared to the majority of the GWR HST fleet.

During the journey I began to wonder how different this power car is now, compared to when it first entered service in 1976. Here's what I could think of:

New engines - MTU rather than Valenta.
New front end - lighting clusters have been redesigned.
Exhaust deflectors fitted to roof - stops soot fouling the windscreen.
Guards van has been removed - now in TGS coach.
Rear facing driving position removed ?

Can anybody else give an insight into what else has changed ?
 
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Fitment of AWS followed by ATP, NRN followed by GSM-R...

If you want to be pedantic the motors, bogies, cooling fans and radiators will hae been changed during maintenance....
 

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I was fortunate enough to travel behind HST power car 43002 from Reading to Didcot last week. The colour scheme looks great, especially when compared to the majority of the GWR HST fleet.

During the journey I began to wonder how different this power car is now, compared to when it first entered service in 1976. Here's what I could think of:

New engines - MTU rather than Valenta.
New front end - lighting clusters have been redesigned.
Exhaust deflectors fitted to roof - stops soot fouling the windscreen.
Guards van has been removed - now in TGS coach.
Rear facing driving position removed ?
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Can anybody else give an insight into what else has changed ?

There was never a rear-facing driving position. There was an end window fitted to the first few powercars to aid shunting - driving controls have only ever been in the cab.
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Fitment of AWS followed by ATP, NRN followed by GSM-R...

If you want to be pedantic the motors, bogies, cooling fans and radiators will hae been changed during maintenance....

AWS was fitted from new on the HST.
 

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There was never a rear-facing driving position. There was an end window fitted to the first few powercars to aid shunting - driving controls have only ever been in the cab.

Yes, only the prototype HST had a rear cab — the feature did make a return with the Class 91s though.
 

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In the early days of GWT/fGW all the power cars were re-wired to improve reliability.

When you say re-wired, do you mean that all the cables were removed and then replaced, or was the wiring design changed?
 

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Fitment of 'DRA' Driver's Reminder Appliance
Fitment of 'DAS' Driver Advisory System.
Fitment of 'Inergen' fire extinguishing system.
Layout of Driver's desk alterations during MTU-ing.
Replacement of hinged glass sunshade panel with pull-down blind.
Fitment of emergency ventilation vents in cab doors.
Fitment of cycle racking to luggage van.
 
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I was fortunate enough to travel behind HST power car 43002 from Reading to Didcot last week. The colour scheme looks great, especially when compared to the majority of the GWR HST fleet.

During the journey I began to wonder how different this power car is now, compared to when it first entered service in 1976. Here's what I could think of:

New engines - MTU rather than Valenta.
New front end - lighting clusters have been redesigned.
Exhaust deflectors fitted to roof - stops soot fouling the windscreen.
Guards van has been removed - now in TGS coach.
Rear facing driving position removed ?

Can anybody else give an insight into what else has changed ?

The fitment of Central Door Locking is quite an important change - although that's more a stock thing!
 
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The fitment of Central Door Locking is quite an important change - although that's more a stock thing!

Indeed, the CDL has no connection to the power car as there is no traction/brake interlock. The only effect is has is that the Guard cannot use the buzzer whilst the CDL is released, except for the buzzer located in the TGS which is always live.
 

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Pedantically, it is also predominantly blue and yellow rather than black and yellow, in which it was initially outshopped in 1975!
 

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Pedantically, it is also predominantly blue and yellow rather than black and yellow, in which it was initially outshopped in 1975!

Hah, someone beat me to it! ;) As I recall, it was only the first two or three power cars that received the "black" livery, but all were repainted before they left Crewe workshops for delivery to the Western Region.
 

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Does anyone know how long 43002 is stayng in retro livery?
I have Monday 8th - Sunday 14th August off work so i can see it then on a trip to london or something
 

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When you say re-wired, do you mean that all the cables were removed and then replaced, or was the wiring design changed?

Pass! There was a photo in one of the railway journals of new wiring looms being made in a factory to replace the existing wiring. Whether the circuit diagram was also changed at the same time I don't know. It was reported that most of, if not all of the wiring, apart from the traction cabling, was replaced and the wires' ends clearly identified.

Thinking about it a bit more, I think this work was being done about the time of, or just after, the Southall accident. The accident report mentions that the driver /guard buzzer was permanently sounding in the cab and a Landore fitter solved the problem by cutting the wires at the buzzer before the train left Swansea. This predated the re-wiring.
 

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Does anyone know how long 43002 is stayng in retro livery?
I have Monday 8th - Sunday 14th August off work so i can see it then on a trip to london or something

seem to remember somebody said that it is going to stay in its retro livery until it leaves GWR. Don't know how true that is though...
 

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Hah, someone beat me to it! ;) As I recall, it was only the first two or three power cars that received the "black" livery, but all were repainted before they left Crewe workshops for delivery to the Western Region.

43002 definitely had the black band, there is a picture in "The Power of the HSTs" by Colin J. Marsden, but ISTR a magazine article telling of 004 and 006 having initially carried that livery too. I also STR, that when the black band was painted blue, the "Intercity 125" lettering remained black with a white outline on those powercars, though I couldn't prove that.
 

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For those who haven't yet seen it, here is the original black/yellow IC125 livery in all it's glory, as applied to 43002:

Original Image Link: https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/7272237276/

As much I love the classic blue/yellow livery that eventually emerged, this is just on a whole other level of stunning. Suited the design right down to the ground. Shame it was never to be applied fleet-wide.
 
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